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Old 05-23-2004, 01:23 PM   #136
shilo
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spinal-

That's the way Nautilus acts now. Try starting it with
Code:
nautilus --no-desktop --browser
You can also try double clicking the scroll wheel to get Nautilus to use the same window. Don't know about listing the directories, though.

hackers_-

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No.
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I don't recommend it to anyone.
I do.
 
Old 05-23-2004, 01:50 PM   #137
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Hello shilo,

I agree with hackers_ to some level. Dropline messes with the system really bad, making it extremely difficult to uninstall. As I've said in an earlier post, I think some kind of warning would be very good, and also pointing out that there already is a working Gnome in the "stock" Slack.

(Hm, maybe I should stop repeating myself )

Cheers!
 
Old 05-23-2004, 02:53 PM   #138
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im not a big fan of Gnome.. i much prefer KDE or flux, but i did notice that dropline does perform a lot better than the stock gnome. some may disagree.. i didnt have any trouble installing it, although i havent attempted to uninstall it.

it does all come down to preference though.. i know several people who despise kde.. i dont and i use it.. some people prefer dropline some dont..
 
Old 05-23-2004, 03:16 PM   #139
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Bebo-

I still need to add that. It is on my todo list, though. (I didn't forget ) Haven't had a lot of time to work on the site this weekend. I actually am working on adding all of your suggestions Bebo, as I think you've been right on with every one of them.

I think that Dropline and SWareT are both "hot" topics. People seem to have really strong feelings about both one way or another. I included the sections for a couple of reasons. The first is that I use both on my system. I haven't added anything to my guide that I haven't tried out myself and got working to a certain level of satisfaction. The other reason is that they seem to get a lot of attention.

It was frustrating when I first started with Slackware/Linux because you see a bunch of almost identical threads. I checked out many different forums/newsgroups and saw that the usual flow was:

-How do I upgrade Slackware?
-Use SWareT.
-How do I use SWareT?
-Don't use SWareT. Read the changelog.

It was similar for other things, like Dropline. Now when you're new, you're wondering, "Which answer is right? I just want this to work." After you get Slackware working, you can start to see that both answers are right. It's a matter of personal preference.

My goal was to show a someone completely new to Linux how I go about getting a system up and running with what I felt were the options that people wanted to see. I know there are threads discussing the "best" distro for new users. I see a lot of recommendations for Mandrake and Red Hat (or Fedora). I think that the reason that you see them recommended is because they are by default what a lot of people want to see. You get graphics and updates and things. Slackware gives you text. When I was new, I stuck with Slackware. I was like, "If a new user could see that Slackware gives them everything they want without hacking up the kernel and changing programs, they would probably like it better."

I can also agree with what hacker_ says, to a degree. Dropline does things automatically, taking some of your control away. If you know what you are doing, you can use the Gnome that is with Slackware and get the same thing. The problem is, when you first start out you don't know what you are doing.

Here's some more thoughts. When I first started, I re-installed Slackware a ton of times. It was a constant game of "two steps forward, one step back." My guide is an attempt to get people jump started in the right direction. If you don't like Dropline, and that causes you to have to re-install everything once, you will have re-installed a lot fewer times than me. I do need to add a warning, though, as it really isn't very nice of me to not let people know that it isn't required.

I also see threads that ask. "I've installed Slackware. Now what." What I like about Dropline is that it can give you ideas about some things that you may not have thought of or been able to do. Install Dropline, you get nice fonts, DVD's play, you have nice themes. You can do all of those things yourself, but how? Well, if you want to know, you can look at how Dropline accomplished those things.

I think a great project for someone might be to write up their own guide for Slackware. Maybe outline the things that they like about Dropline and show how each can be done manually. That way, if someone were looking for some of Droplines features without 180+ updates and automatically re-configured files, they would have another option. Maybe throw in some visual examples. For instance, I had heard about anti-aliased fonts before Dropline, but I really didn't know what they were. There were ariticles online about how to set them up, but as I read through them and tried them out, I was like, "Is this even doing anything? What is my goal here?" My original post has been more successful than I ever imagined it would be. It would be great to see a lot more like them, covering all kinds of topics.

I've got lots of ideas that people could start threads on, keeping them Slackware specific. Another idea is fonts. I think that a lot of people dual boot Slackware and Windows. Maybe someone would like to make a guide about how to use all of the Microsoft fonts that you already have installed on your system. Another idea would be a WINE guide. I'm still playing around with that, so I don't have a guide yet. I haven't seen a Slackware specific guide. I know a lot of people have heard that they can run Windows programs under Linux with WINE. Maybe they even are like me and installed WINE and thought, "Gee, somethings work ok, but a lot of stuff doesn't." That would be great if someone made a guide that showed how they set up WINE and maybe how they set up associations so they could just click on Windows programs and have them working. Maybe also put some tips on tweaking your setup to get specific programs running.

I know that there are probably a bunch of people out there like me. You like Linux and the whole open source community, but you never contribute anything because you don't know how to program. I don't know much, so I put a guide for what I did know how to do. Looks like people really like guides like this. I didn't think much of it when I wrote this guide. I was actually just bored and decided to share what was in my notebook about how I set things up. I made my website because I wanted to learn how to do it. I wanted to know how to make a website, and you get bored pretty quickly making websites that say "Hi. This my first webpage."

Wow, I'm completely rambling here. hackers_, you've got a point, but the Dropline section stays. I am going to modify it some, per Bebo's suggestions. If you have any suggestions besides
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Old 05-23-2004, 04:23 PM   #140
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Nice post/site Shilo. Are you going to add a web portion to your site for users that would like to have a web site but don't know anything about creating one? Might be useful to some newbies to know how you got your site to where it is now.

MagicMan
 
Old 05-23-2004, 04:45 PM   #141
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You bet. It's on my todo list Some quick hints until I get the section up:

1) use SCREEM. It's installed with Dropline.
2) The http://w3c.org HTML validator is very helpful.
3) Check out websites that you like using the "View Source" feature on your browser.
4) Write your content separately from your website design. Both are hard. Don't try to do it all at once.
5) A lot of sites teach HTML. Try to learn a little about CSS, too. That was a big step for me. Try the http://w3c.org site for help with that.
6) Check out your website in lots of browsers

I learned the little HTML I know through lots of trial and error. Save the source from a website you like. Open it up in SCREEM and start hacking it up. Save it every once in awhile and view it in your browser. That way you'll learn what changes do what.

That's the super condensed quick & dirty. I'll make a section on it, soon though. In the meantime, feel free to ask any specific questions you have in regards to my site design.
 
Old 05-23-2004, 06:32 PM   #142
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superbly stated shilo!!!.. i for one love your guide and have recommended it to a few friends that are windoze guru's but couldnt spell linux if i handed em flashcards!! and they are now up and running fine, with only minor issues with drivers and hardware..

you bring up a great point on starting your own guide. I was working on one for myself to sort of keep notes on my journey through the different distro's.. I may start it back up now that i have a few spare machines and can go through a few distros.

I think that with the help of some great members here guides for most of the major distros could be written from ground up install to additional applications and setups.. ***starts thinking of new ideas!!***

still great work on this guide and all the help outside of this.. I think Bebo is correct with the "warning" about dropline, kind of a use at own risk.
 
Old 05-23-2004, 09:21 PM   #143
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Thanks alot shilo this thread that you started was a great help for me, especially since i'm a starting on slackware... n i believe it will continue to do good for the hundreds of ppl out there who will be joining us

You r juz cool...

Cheers,
mickey
 
Old 05-23-2004, 09:24 PM   #144
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Success and Thanks

Thanks to Shilo's guide and a little help from Systematic on the Graphic portion I can now say with great enthusiasm that this guide can be used by anyone new to Slackware to get up an running. 4 weeks ago a friend got me to try out MDK 10 community and it was just not for me....I don't know....so I hooked up the Slackware 9.1 just over a week ago, found this guide and followed it....Of course never having touched a linux distro in my life prior to this....I used the guide to install Slack 9.1, did my reading and now have compiled my first working kernel by actually going through the choices line by line and making choices according to my system. I can't tell you how awesome it feels to accomlish something like this. Of course you all probably already know which is why you stick with slack. Thanks Shilo and Systematic and everyone else who has posted on these forums to make this baby newb feel right at home in the Linux world...I am here to stay now. =) Just thought I would share the joy.

Drakeuser/Slackabuser
-New linux user for life
 
Old 05-24-2004, 06:59 AM   #145
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Shilo ..
Could you elaborate on how to read mail from hotmail and yahoo from your linux email client .. I understand hotmail is not possible without their POP3 account .. however hotmail is readable on outlook (2003 or xp) so should be doable.

thanks in advance
 
Old 05-24-2004, 10:49 AM   #146
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Never tried it. I stick with a browser for my hotmail. Heard this http://sourceforge.net/projects/hotwayd/ works, though. Check it out & let us know.


****EDIT****

I have no Idea if this works. I notice that it says it's for OS X and POSIX. I think that POSIX means it works with Linux and all the other "x" operating systems.

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Old 05-24-2004, 12:04 PM   #147
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For Yahoo mail, try YahooPOPS!.

You can get a pre-compiled package here:
http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_...oopops&ver=9.1

Or you can get the source here:
http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/mod...download&cid=2


If you use Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird, follow the instructions on this page:
http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/mod...artid=3&page=1

The port numbers you need to plug in to get it to work are (these might change):
POP3: 5058
SMTP: 5059

MagicMan

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Old 05-24-2004, 02:19 PM   #148
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well - on the topic of dropline - i love it - never was a gnome fan - and i thought i'd give it a try and i loved it from the first time i used it -

i can't say that i started using slack cause it was red hat 6 when i had my first taste for linux and moved on to suse and mandrake and discovered slack soon after and never looked back !!

and oh boy - i still discover something new in slack everytime i use it - and goodness i lost track of how many times i formatted and re-installed - and it has all been worth every frustrating moment !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- i recommend slack to everyone that isn't afraid to learn or who isn't totally enslaved by winblows idealistic ways of how OS's should work and look - FREEDOM is all i can say -

so once again - all my admiration to shilo for writing this post and it should be pinned and also making the website for when this post falls away -

my last words before closing is that i think slackware is a nice journey of discovery and learning and a hell of alot of patience that in the end pays off 10 fold ...

laterz

 
Old 05-24-2004, 03:15 PM   #149
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Shiloh,

Great HOWTO you have got here... one suggestion though... go back and add the link to your website in your first post... or maybe even better... just edit your signature in your profile and add the link to your website there.

For links... I just stumbled on to the The Rocks Project earlier this week. I highly recommend it for it's coverage of IP tables, QMail and DJBDNS.

http://www.rocksproject.org/
 
Old 05-24-2004, 04:13 PM   #150
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Thanks, I just added the link to the first post. I liked the qmailrocks webpage, but I wish they would have said how to use checkinstall. Had a few issues with the whole process, but it turned me on to squirrelmail, which I like a lot. I ended up going back to sendmail. I'll check out the IP Tables, though.
 
  


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