this is essentially a paid advert by redhat for you guessed it, redhat.

Brandon Philips - the co-found of CoreOS
Matthew Miller - from the Fedora Project
Lennart Poettering - Passive aggressive tool/mediocre c coder

all three of the 'guest' are heavily invested in systemd and have there personal financial success invested in it. linux action show has been collecting there brown envelopes under the table and spewing propaganda talking points for a few years now. they were right on cue with the 'systemd haters' meme that was put into action by rehat's 'social media group'.

all I see is a total circle jerk. most people have caught onto the fact that a good chunk of 'social media' is just guerilla marketing paid for like any other advertising. I would not be surprised if these guys gave media coaches and makeup people.

I mistakenly posted twice, see post # 874 instead, sorry.

The media marketing of systemd has increased, but the rate of adoption by distributions has slowed from what I have noticed regarding distributions. There have even been some distributions backing out of systemd also.

I think it's safe to say the hype has worn out it's welcome. So far even tracking lkml.org has shown no adoption notice of kdbus and the kdbus patch even was withdrawn by GKH partially due to lack of patch version tagging. I think even Greg said to just use the kdbus repo rather than the patch itself, so now this casts further doubts in my opinion of it being added. That and I think Linus isn't stupid enough to cut the throat of netlink.

All we can do is watch, wait, and trust in Patrick's sanity, and pray to Bob this unholy beast pass over us faster than the 10th Biblical plague.

To my eyes this look like personal attacks, that in my opinion do not bring anything to this thread's topic. Oh, and I'm curious to know on what ground you evaluate C coding. Maybe you are a C coder?

Oh so Red Hat paid LAS to have these guests on??

It's a company promoting a product. It's basic viral marketing 101 and spinmastering. Apple was notorious for these ads.

With apologies to all concerned and strictly for the purposes of humour...


I saw the best distros of my generation destroyed by madnessd
Bloated, confused, encumbered
Dragging themselves through the virtual streets at dawn looking for a friendly boot

Examples? Quotations?
What distributions?

Eric

'systemd hater' and many other insults and personal attacks seem to be the prefered level of discourse by Lennart, redhat employees and other paid 'social media' sites. voices who do not agree, who are being attacked have every justification in pushing back. it is us being attacked not them. no one is fooled by the cynical premeditated passive aggressive attack strategy.

exposing well funded aggressive 'social media' advertising and other strategies that are being used like gang posting forums is important. all of the guests on this program are knee deep in these dirty tactics and the show it self is platform for them. systemd media has to be analyzed as much as government propaganda at this point. they are using all the same tricks and have 'media people'. its sad to see but its true.

these guys stand to make personal fortunes if they can take over the Linux stack thats not an attack its a fact. and people need to put that into perspective when they analyze current events. this is not a community driven group of volunteer coders. there are billions of dollars rideing on systemd.

http://opensource.com/business/14/12...-rikki-endsley

redhat, ubuntu and most of the other large corporations have full time staff whos job it is to 'promote' with 'social media'. they really took the low road attacking linux users and FLOSS developers with the systemd agenda. its shocking. its a new development. you can now expect just as much vitrol from 0SS corporations as you use to get from microsoft, sco etc.

What did your link have to do with my question on quotations about "the rate of adoption by distributions has slowed from what I have noticed regarding distributions" ?
I do not care about the "media marketing for systemd" part. And it was not you I asked for insight.

Eric

It's funny you bring that up in the context of this video with Brandon Philips the co-founder of CoreOS. you might ask yourself why is GKH so aggressively promoting systemd? whats his angle in this?

https://coreos.com/about/

there it is. GKH is directly invested in CoreOS. he is ground floor on a startup that has probably gotten a few hundred million in VC funding. there entire success pivots on the total adoption of systemd. and he probably has a stock options package worth tens of millions if/when CoreOS goes public.

this whole thing is just farcical its so bad.

Nothing in this page supports your quoted statements as GKH is just listed in the Technical Advisory board, not in the Investors. Again you are attacking people without any ground. That's not fair in my opinion and, as I already told you, does not bring anything to this thread's topic. By the way, you didn't answer my question in post #874 about your ground for evaluating C coding.

Can you please just leave this forum? You come blundering in, never heard of you until today, popping canisters full of probables and ifs - that's all you can bring to the table? Then please take the exit left to your social media arena. It is "probably" better suited for you than the LinuxQuestions forum for Slackware.

I do not need to read this kind of FUD.

Eric

well I don't think you or Didier are that naïve to not know how the startup scene works. but I respect you not wanting to bring the heat to the slackware forum so I will tone it down. but I am not going to leave thank you.

having lived in the bay area for some time I know how the startup spin factory works and am not saying anything you would not over hear in casual techie conversation. it can be a little disenchanting tho.



I have read enough glib-gobject code to know that its incorporation into main was a huge mistake and in part cost them the MeeGo project. there whole stack now rests on a very brittle framework that no one wants to invest in hence rapid funding of enlightenment ane efl. and once the parallel stl is done for c++17 gtk is going to look like a quaint cobal project that your grandmother coded back in the day.

as for systemd I have seen enough rapid fire patches into code bases to tie them to systemd in one way or another that I'm quite annoyed at this point. some libraries that I use have been hit with utterly pointless patches from redhat people.

I have very little faith in gnome or systemd achieving anything but adding years of work untangling the massive hairball they are churning out at a feverish rate.