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Old 05-30-2020, 10:17 AM   #2371
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Normal floppy disk support (BLK_DEV_FD)
Hi,
I am wondering why this module is built into the kernel and not available as a separate kernel......
Some people still use floppies. I have large collection of documents on floppies and occasionally have the need to access that information.

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Old 05-30-2020, 11:16 AM   #2372
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Hi,
Correct me if it is not true or some hardware might need the module to be inbuilt.
I don't why it's built-in (in the generic kernel), but my custom-built kernel has it as a module (which normally isn't loaded, only the oldest of my three systems has got working floppy drives - actually 2: both 3.5" and 5"25').
So it most certainly isn't required, but the amount of memory saved isn't all that much, the module in my system is about 67 KB (and most of that is overhead, to make it into a loadable module).

The huge kernel, of course, should have it built-in, just like most block device drivers.
 
Old 05-30-2020, 02:14 PM   #2373
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Some people still use floppies.

I understand your point but why inbuild not available as a module?
 
Old 05-30-2020, 02:17 PM   #2374
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I don't why it's built-in (in the generic kernel),

The huge kernel, of course, should have it built-in, just like most block device drivers.

I agree for the huge kernel.



I need to test on my machine if it speeds up kernel boot


Code:
[ 1.812743] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc
[ 4.116736] floppy0: no floppy controllers found

in dmesg.
 
Old 05-31-2020, 02:20 AM   #2375
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I have a floppy drive. At the time I bought this board (2010) I was still of a mind to insist on a floppy controller. An alternate method of booting the machine, some flashing programs still need DOS etc.

I don't use it, so I build floppy as a module, and blacklist it so it won't load (I'd just manually load it if I want it... haven't in several years to be honest)

As for why it's (still?) built in to Slackware's kernels, perhaps it's a throw back from the bootdisk and rootdisk days. Perhaps someone might need to access a floppy disk in the case of the modules directory being unavailable.
 
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:11 PM   #2376
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5.7.0

The newest Stable kernel, version 5.7.0, has been released.

The tarball can be found at, https://www.kernel.org/ (once it has been posted).

Mr. Torvalds' announcement, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...5.3/09342.html

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Old 05-31-2020, 11:49 PM   #2377
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Kernel updates 4.14.182, 4.9.225 and 4.4.225 are now available at,
https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/ker...ngeLog-4.4.225
It is tremendously gratifying to see the 4.4 kernel still getting updates.

I only recently learned about the "Civil Infrastructure Platform" project, which will continue supporting the 4.4 kernel until 2027 -- https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civ...platform/start

Time will tell if their efforts will be as extensive or expert as those of the regular linux kernel dev team, but the prospect of getting kernel bugfixes and security patches for 14.2 long after the LTS cycle gives me a profound sense of security and continuity.

4.4 might already be the most robust and thoroughly debugged kernel we have ever seen, and that will only deepen with time.
 
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Old 06-01-2020, 02:11 AM   #2378
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It is tremendously gratifying to see the 4.4 kernel still getting updates.

I only recently learned about the "Civil Infrastructure Platform" project, which will continue supporting the 4.4 kernel until 2027 -- https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/civ...platform/start

Time will tell if their efforts will be as extensive or expert as those of the regular linux kernel dev team, but the prospect of getting kernel bugfixes and security patches for 14.2 long after the LTS cycle gives me a profound sense of security and continuity.

4.4 might already be the most robust and thoroughly debugged kernel we have ever seen, and that will only deepen with time.
I doubt any LTS kernel is any more stable or robust than the latest Stable or mainline release kernel. Looking at the 4.4.xxx changelog you can see fixes for bugs that were fixed in mainline kernels going back 4 years. A number of fixes dating back to 2016 that were never rebased back to the LTS kernels that the latest kernel already had/have. So the newest 5.6/5.7 will have fixes in it that will not be in the 4.4 or newer LTS kernels for a number of years.

tl;dr - The LTS kernels might not have shiny new bugs to be tested and fixed but they have a greater number of bugs that months and years old that are fixed in newer released series kernels.

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Old 06-01-2020, 01:17 PM   #2379
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Year 2020, Round 35

Another batch of kernel updates has been scheduled for release on Wednesday, 03 June 2020, at approximately 17:00, GMT. If no problems are found while testing the release candidates, they might be available sometime on Tuesday (depending on your time zone).

There will be 177 patches in the 5.6.16 update, 142 in 5.4.44, 95 in 4.19.126, 77 in 4.14.183, 61 in 4.9.226 and, finally, 48 patches in the 4.4.226 update.

The details:

5.6.16-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/01047.html

5.4.44-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/00957.html

4.19.126-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/00910.html

4.14.183-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/01388.html

4.9.226-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/01405.html

4.4.226-rc1, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/01428.html

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Old 06-01-2020, 06:11 PM   #2380
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5.7.0

The newest Stable kernel, version 5.7.0, has been released.
This kernel built fine on my system but I could not install NVidia 440.82 so I have retreated to the stock -current kernel. Anybody else with success?
 
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Old 06-01-2020, 06:55 PM   #2381
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This kernel built fine on my system but I could not install NVidia 440.82 so I have retreated to the stock -current kernel. Anybody else with success?
Isn't that just some of the "joys" of closed source software/drivers?

That's at least one of my first thoughts...

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Old 06-01-2020, 07:35 PM   #2382
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This kernel built fine on my system but I could not install NVidia 440.82 so I have retreated to the stock -current kernel. Anybody else with success?
Did the nouveau driver work?
Not two minutes ago I was on the Nvidia website looking for a new driver. It may take a few days, but they
will issue a driver that works with the new stable kernel. They always do.

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Old 06-01-2020, 08:28 PM   #2383
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Did the nouveau driver work?
I did not test this as my working / gaming always requires the NVidia binary blob...

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Not two minutes ago I was on the Nvidia website looking for a new driver. It may take a few days, but they will issue a driver that works with the new stable kernel. They always do.
Like you I checked, I am happy to wait a week or so, my system is running well enough with the stock kernel...
 
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:39 AM   #2384
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This kernel built fine on my system but I could not install NVidia 440.82 so I have retreated to the stock -current kernel. Anybody else with success?
I haven't tried it myself but...

https://gitlab.com/snippets/1965550
 
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Old 06-02-2020, 07:24 AM   #2385
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A second round of release candidates for the most recent set of updates has been made available for testing.

5.6.16-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02074.html

5.4.44-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02072.html

4.19.126-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02071.html

4.14.183-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02069.html

4.9.226-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02068.html

4.4.226-rc2, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/k...6.0/02059.html

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