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Old 08-10-2018, 03:10 PM   #46
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:09 PM   #47
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Or, you know, build it themselves if they really need to have the absolute latest and greatest. Eric already provides the build script, so all that would be needed is to update it for the latest version. That's at least 90% of the work already done.
Do not be that sure that OP didn't built that Plasma 5.13.4 before opening this thread.

And I tell you why.

For me this thread was a bit unusual, because it was made by a guy who just hanged around since last six months, mostly busy with debugging his issues with a budget Radeon graphics card and Plasma5, but with no serious requests for help.

Then suddenly he made this thread, apparently quite demanding but essentially saying "I know that the KDE do quite fast releases on its software, but is also supposed us to test Plasma5, so we need that 5.13.4 build" and when Eric responds ballistic, instead to sustain his position the OP quickly switch to saying that maybe he did too much importance to that Plasma5 and that's all. He will go back to KDE4.

I know, I know, trolling, insults and other nasty things, but everyone has his own tin-foils and I asked myself WHY this guy suddenly "demanded" for that Plasma 5.13.4 even he apparently has no real interest for getting it from KTown?

My logic was simple: if he is not so interested to get that 5.13.4 from KTown, then he already have this Plasma 5.13.4 (building it himself) and his request, demand or whatever you call it, is just because he observed something and he thinks that that version is useful for all implicated in the beta-testing of Plasma5.

So, I decided to build it myself just on top of the 5.13.3 build from KTown, to see myself what's so amazing.

My test-box for Plasma5 driven by a Phenom x4 9650 and 8GB RAM spent approx. 2 hours for that - then he probably spent around 4 hours (IF he made that), after what I known about his boxes, which are pretty similar as generation with my test-box but with a dual-core CPU and 4GB RAM.

Code:
bash-4.4# ls -lh
total 106M
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 320K Aug 10 21:39 bluedevil-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  22M Aug 10 19:54 breeze-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1M Aug 10 19:55 breeze-grub-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 200K Aug 10 19:55 breeze-gtk-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 683K Aug 10 21:51 drkonqi-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171K Aug 10 21:49 kactivitymanagerd-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 796K Aug 10 20:53 kde-cli-tools-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 198K Aug 10 21:45 kde-gtk-config-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  67K Aug 10 19:50 kdecoration-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 761K Aug 10 21:29 kdeplasma-addons-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135K Aug 10 19:49 kgamma5-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5M Aug 10 21:41 khotkeys-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5M Aug 10 19:58 kinfocenter-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 886K Aug 10 21:42 kmenuedit-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212K Aug 10 21:44 kscreen2-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171K Aug 10 20:02 kscreenlocker-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  26K Aug 10 21:45 ksshaskpass-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 610K Aug 10 20:00 ksysguard-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  28K Aug 10 19:55 kwayland-integration-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.3M Aug 10 20:28 kwin-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  20K Aug 10 20:30 kwrited-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 236K Aug 10 20:32 libkscreen2-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 591K Aug 10 19:59 libksysguard-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  70K Aug 10 20:33 milou-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7M Aug 10 20:38 oxygen-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  92K Aug 10 21:53 plasma-browser-integration-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  11M Aug 10 21:25 plasma-desktop-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 114K Aug 10 19:56 plasma-integration-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189K Aug 10 21:47 plasma-pa-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 336K Aug 10 21:46 plasma-sdk-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246K Aug 10 21:52 plasma-vault-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.5M Aug 10 21:07 plasma-workspace-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  42M Aug 10 21:30 plasma-workspace-wallpapers-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1M Aug 10 21:35 plasma5-nm-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  55K Aug 10 21:43 polkit-kde-framework-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 785K Aug 10 21:38 powerdevil-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 104K Aug 10 21:45 sddm-kcm-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 296K Aug 10 21:08 systemsettings-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 411K Aug 10 21:49 user-manager-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  92K Aug 10 21:50 xdg-desktop-portal-kde-5.13.4-x86_64-1.txz
What is so cool on Plasma 5.13.4?

Well, at first sight (still, I have several hours since I use it) they improved even more the KWin and his effects.

Finally, but finally on this release they arrived to a desktop fluidity similar with the one from KDE4.

Even if the 5.13.3 build performed really acceptable (both as stability and responsiveness) with my on-board Radeon HD3200, that (dirty) build of 5.13.4 performances are impressive compared with. Had disappeared even that bit of sluggishness on Firefox pages while scrolling.

And the stability appears quite fine, excluding that usual Baloo search going nuts.

As bottom line, of course that I WILL NOT request to Eric to suddenly update his KTown. After all, who is on hurry meantime can build it anyway just like me.

PS. I attached a screenshot to show that I do not fantasize here.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:36 AM   #48
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Then why not say "Hey, Plasma 5.13.4 runs really really well. Please make a ktown build for it." versus what the OP titled the thread?
 
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Old 08-11-2018, 04:01 AM   #49
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Dear Darth Vader could you try (please) to build it with glibc-2.28 and tell if there are some show stoppers, if you mind?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I have Plasma 5.13.4 compiled and installed on current since 07/31/2018, work correctly.
 
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Old 08-12-2018, 08:46 AM   #51
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Dear Darth Vader could you try (please) to build it with glibc-2.28 and tell if there are some show stoppers, if you mind?

Thanks in advance.
Dear nobodino, I made that and the Plasma 5.13.4 compiles fine with the glibc-2.28.

With the note that I talk literally about that desktop part of KDE software, which is literally the subject of this thread, and not about the whole hog which usually we call Plasma5.

But for my horror, with glibc-2.28 the latest skype4linux segfaults, and how this proprietary application is a must to run on any of my boxes from job reasons, then quickly I tuck my tail and ran back to the default glibc-2.28 after doing this test.

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Old 08-12-2018, 08:59 AM   #52
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Then why not say "Hey, Plasma 5.13.4 runs really really well. Please make a ktown build for it." versus what the OP titled the thread?
Not sure that I understand. You talk about the thread title or you suggest me to do something?

IF you talk about me, this my position:

I seen Eric reacting to this subject, just as friendly like a grizzly bear when you just step on his paw.

Let's us him be and anyway I have no interest to hurry up the Plasma5 development.

I am not a Plasma5 lover, but rather I hate with passion this uber-bloaded DE. Rather, I will applaud if he decide to make the next Plasma5 build on A.D. 2038.

Yeah, that Plasma 5.13.4 is spectacular better even compared with the previous version, but if Eric in his wisdom considers to keep his users for 2-3 weeks in the "darkness", so be it.

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Old 08-12-2018, 09:26 AM   #53
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Yeah, that Plasma 5.13.4 is spectacular better even compared with the previous version, but if Eric in his wisdom considers to keep his users for 2-3 weeks in the "darkness", so be it.
I am not a fan of always running for the "latest & greatest" the moment something is released. It does not go well with my philosophy of "tread carefully". If you are in such a dire need of package updates, it is a simple story: I provide the build scripts and the instructions on how to use them. You build those new packages, done. It's not more difficult than that.

I have also on many occasions informed everyone that I release a 'ktown' update once a month, with security updates and fixes for library ABI breakage inbetween when needed. If you look at my release history for KDE on my blog and in my git repository, you see ample evidence of this.
The reason? I also compile other stuff which occupies my (threadripper-less) build box. Packages like chromium and libreoffice are time-consuming. Packages like vlc and ffmpeg need to be built for several Slackware releases, in "restricted" as well as 'unrestricted" variants. It takes time, simple as that. Plus, I can only do this during the evenings. Slackware is not my day job, it is a hobby and as such you can not demand how I spend my time.
So, I do consider it insulting to write Eric in his wisdom considers to keep his users for 2-3 weeks in the "darkness".
But you know how I regard you and your FUD machine. I had not expected otherwise, but I can always hope that your choice of words will someday improve.
 
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Old 08-12-2018, 10:20 AM   #54
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Alien Bob: What kind of machine do you have ?

Darth Vader: did you apply any patch to the source tree to build with glibc-2.28, because qt5 fails for me?

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Old 08-12-2018, 10:45 AM   #55
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Alien Bob: What kind of machine do you have ?
Nobodino, I have a machine with a AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core CPU and 64 GB of RAM.
 
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Old 08-12-2018, 04:44 PM   #56
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Alien Bob: What kind of machine do you have ?

Darth Vader: did you apply any patch to the source tree to build with glibc-2.28, because qt5 fails for me?
Nobodino, I do not rebuilt the entire Plasma5 (or let's say KDE5 for distinction) but only what is its frontend, which is also subject of this thread - KWin, taskbar, etc...

Literally, I updated this part:

https://slackware.nl/alien-kde/source/5/kde/src/plasma/

The Plasma5 is much bigger than this, and my test-box is not exactly the most appropriate to compile it entirely.

This box has an AM2+ Phenom x4 9650 ar 2.3GHz, with 8GB DDR2 800MHz and one 1TB classic/mechanical SATA drive. Everything hosted in a mini-tower, with 2 case fans, which runs at almost max when I load the CPU completely.

IF you want some numbers (approximately) as time spent by it on building the various Plasma5 parts:

Plasma: 2 hours -> this one is the subject of this thread and I tested also as rebuilding with newer GLIBC
Frameworks: 2 hours
Applications: 9 hours
Qt5: 6 hours

Long story short, the part which I rebuilt needs no patch for GLIBC 2.28

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Old 08-13-2018, 12:30 AM   #57
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Ok, thanks both of you for your answers.

Another question to Alien Bob: what is the advantage to have so much RAM?

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Old 08-13-2018, 03:10 AM   #58
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Ok, thanks both of you for your answers.

Another question to Alien Bob: what is the advantage to have so much RAM?
you can run electron apps without getting into swap :-)


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sorry, but I had to do this joke ;-)


one thing I do with a lot of ram is extracting sources to a ram drive and build there,
even if SSDs are fast today, that should still be faster

with 16 build threads, more RAM is also better than less, especially for things like chromium
 
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Ok, thanks both of you for your answers.

Another question to Alien Bob: what is the advantage to have so much RAM?
I guess you have not compiled Chromium or Libreoffice yet... and in particular not in two separate virtual machines?
This computer runs several virtual machines in parallel, some of them to compile software, other for my LAN services like mail/file/print/streaming services.
 
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I've compiled qt5 and it's really huge: my machine is unusable until it has finished to build it, I've no access to anything. Memory is full , swap works heavily...
 
  


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