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Old 08-10-2018, 01:47 AM   #31
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You, Sir you are overacting! And your wording will embarrass even an old Dutch sailor.

Since years from when I read this forum, the OP is the first one who can't wait your KTown releases and you put him in blacklist...
I was not addressing you, so there is no need for you to judge my response. The OP's post is an insult to the work I do for the community. And I am not convinced the OP actually wants to use Plasma5. He's just like Darth Vader, opposed to the concept of having Plasma5 in Slackware.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:45 AM   #32
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Unless you had been read the Eric's blog, where's mentioned that our BDFL is inclined to consider the "greatest and mightiest" Plasma5 version according with no one else than Eric.

For me, the title of this thread is a direct reference to these words.

https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/pat...th-kde-plasma5
The topic title is inflammatory and made all the more effective by this citation. OP is well aware of this and posted this thread to stir up responses, which it has been quite successful in doing.

Do you not consider this comment to be trolling?

So, the Plasma5 treadmill runs so fast even for Mr. Hameleers and his almighty ThreadRippers?

Or is it a "difference of opinion"? That game is easy to play, Darth, and is always a convenient fallback line for trolls. It's quite a clever one because then no-one can prove either way that the person is trolling. But, if the OP really wanted a considered, respectful conversation to take place, they would have worded things slightly differently, n'est-ce pas? This is just bait.

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I was not addressing you, so there is no need for you to judge my response.
EDIT: I thought I recognised LuckyCyborg, he popped up earlier here.

I feel saddened that someone can give so much to the community can be repaid, in part, by ungrateful accusations and snide sarcastic remarks. In all the internet communities I've been in, I've seldom seen someone who works so selflessly, so frequently, and whose output is of such high quality as Eric's. There are certain people who you could give a brand new BMW to and they'd complain that it's not a Lamborghini.

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Old 08-10-2018, 05:25 AM   #33
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Lifes to short to worry about simple things. Patrick's kde5 will be fine. I will love it. Pat deserves all the love.
Because kde5 will be put in By Patrick.
The team have helped. But the broad shoulders that will have to take the brunt of a release is only one.

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Old 08-10-2018, 05:33 AM   #34
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The topic title is inflammatory and made all the more effective by this citation. OP is well aware of this and posted this thread to stir up responses, which it has been quite successful in doing.

Do you not consider this comment to be trolling?

So, the Plasma5 treadmill runs so fast even for Mr. Hameleers and his almighty ThreadRippers?

Or is it a "difference of opinion"? That game is easy to play, Darth, and is always a convenient fallback line for trolls. It's quite a clever one because then no-one can prove either way that the person is trolling. But, if the OP really wanted a considered, respectful conversation to take place, they would have worded things slightly differently, n'est-ce pas? This is just bait.
The question which yourself bolded I read something like:

"So, the Plasma5's quite fast release cycle is overwhelming even Eric's power of packaging with the help of ThreadRipper-driven build-boxes?"

OR

"So, the Plasma5 releases cycle is too fast even for Eric and his ThreadRipper-driven build-boxes?"

Long story short, I believe that the OP "demands" a new Plasma5 build for 5.13.4 wanting to using or testing it.

I guess he has some hope to see improvements on one of his boxes, driven by a NVIDIA GeForce 210 graphics card, about which he lamented in the past.

That Eric considers those "demands" insulting, that's another story.

Myself I do NOT demand a new KTown release. From my part, Eric shall take all the time he wants and 20 years more.

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I thought I recognised LuckyCyborg, he popped up earlier here.
Interacting often in the past with Russians (in English), I am pretty sure that @LuckyCyborg had been used the term "defected" or "deserted" if he really intended to give to his words the sense about which you blame him.

Because they do not have even a vague concept of being "politically correct" and when talking about defecting they will just say, well... "defecting". Plain and simple.

From what I seen, for them to "run away" has just the sense of "taking a break" or "going in vacation", e.g. they love to "run away" to Crimea.

http://tass.com/society/990240 (Crimea looks forward to welcoming 6 million tourists in 2018) with the note that that's around of 10% of their entire nation. Impressive, huh?

BUT, of course, everyone should speak the Queen's English as they teaches at Oxford...

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Old 08-10-2018, 05:46 AM   #35
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Lifes to short to worry about simple things. Patrick's kde5 will be fine. I will love it. Pat deserves all the love.
Because kde5 will be put in By Patrick.
The team have helped. But the broad shoulders that will have to take the brunt of a release is only one.
I trust that! Patrick's Plasma5 will be quite fine!

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Old 08-10-2018, 06:44 AM   #36
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The topic title is inflammatory and made all the more effective by this citation.
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I agree completely. The more so since the quotation is incorrect. What Eric actually wrote was "latest and greatest" which for me (although English is my 2nd language) has a ring that's different from "greatest and mightest [sic.]"

Not the first time Eric has been misquoted. In another thread someone argued that he has said that he would leave Slackware if Pat dropped KDE, while in fact he had wrote that he would leave if Qt was dropped - not quite the same thing.

It's difficult to read the words "Mr. Hameleers and his almighty ThreadRippers" as anything but insulting, degrading and provoking. One does not have to master the Queen's English to realise that. If they caused Eric to cross the line in his reply, I for myself am prepared to pardon him.

Personally I don't care tuppence about Plasma5. I don't use it - my -current install comes from Eric's LiveSlak MATE (with multilib added), and should MATE for some reason disappear after the launch of Slackware 15 I'll probably stay with Xfce. But that's my choice.

Nevertheless, nothing would please me more than if the anti-Plasma5 crusaders could find another sandpit to play in. If not, they ought at least refresh their knowledge(?) of the forum rules:

- Do not post any messages that are (...) hostile or insulting.
- Do not post if you do not have anything constructive to say in the post.
- Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ... without insult and personal attack.

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Old 08-10-2018, 07:05 AM   #37
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Yeah, I know that for those from Western Europe or North America is so hard to believe that for the rest of World (excluding Japan, South Korea or Autralia and N.Z.) things like a ThreadRipper CPU are something which will be not be accessible until A.D 2040 at least, and speaking of them is just like speaking of gods forged swords. You know, you can have easily one, but on Fantasy Novels...

Just like for some is insulting to think to eat something else than Black Caviar. You can buy it so easy! It is "only" $2000 per ounce.

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Old 08-10-2018, 07:18 AM   #38
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Yes we can all argue semantic, cultural or circumstantial differences. No-one is to blame for anything, are they. The OP knew what he was doing: end of story. That's enough pot-stirring for now, methinks.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:22 AM   #39
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That's enough pot-stirring for now, methinks.
Me thinks too!

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Old 08-10-2018, 08:40 AM   #40
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I don't even have Threadripper CPU's - the OP is just a narcissist and a troll, and rather uninformed as well.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:03 AM   #41
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That Eric considers those "demands" insulting, that's another story.
I would think any demands would be insulting. Eric is providing an awesome resource to Slackware users. Not just his ktown, but also multilib, Slackware Live/liveslak, -current ISOs, slackbuilds/packages, and his many helpful scripts (not to mention getting the wheels going for Slackware64). He does this all free of charge and out of the goodness of his own heart. He does accept donations, but it is not a requirement to use any of his resources.

Nobody is in a position that they should demand anything from Eric. Unless they decide to get a contract with him where he is obligated in some way, then demands should become requests... and those requests should be polite in nature.

Eric doesn't owe anyone anything. He is the biggest public-facing contributor to Slackware short of Pat himself (there might be a lot more work behind the scenes by other people, but we don't see it). We all owe him a huge debt that will never be repaid. The least people could do is show their gratitude when they want something and when they want something different/newer, try and request it rather than demand it.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:20 AM   #42
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Or, you know, build it themselves if they really need to have the absolute latest and greatest. Eric already provides the build script, so all that would be needed is to update it for the latest version. That's at least 90% of the work already done.
 
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:10 PM   #43
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Or, you know, build it themselves if they really need to have the absolute latest and greatest. Eric already provides the build script, so all that would be needed is to update it for the latest version. That's at least 90% of the work already done.
Yeah but some people prefer to remain uninformed willingly and demand to be treated like "customer is king". Too bad. I doubt the OP has ever visited my blog in order to learn how to use kde.SlackBuild ...
 
Old 08-10-2018, 12:30 PM   #44
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Yeah but some people prefer to remain uninformed willingly and demand to be treated like "customer is king". Too bad. I doubt the OP has ever visited my blog in order to learn how to use kde.SlackBuild ...
Maybe OP uses "hold your hand" distro?
 
Old 08-10-2018, 01:16 PM   #45
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EDIT: I thought I recognised LuckyCyborg, he popped up earlier here.
haha, the (un)luckyCyborg pops also pup here in this thread,
seems he still has not overcome his, my guess is alcohol related, problems.
fortunately my ignore list prevents me from his posts. but with him, there is a ignore triumvirat ongoing here, not an accented, this handful of losers, writing less helpful stuff, but big in trolling.
 
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