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Old 03-30-2020, 03:27 AM   #1
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Testing dropline gnome in -current


So yesterday i found out that the dropline gnome project is still alive and recently released some binaries for slackware-current with the latest gnome 3.36.
The packages can be downloaded here http://www.droplinegnome.org/files/3.36/x86_64/testing/
I'm trying to test them but i'm unable to login using xwmconfig and startx, I get the infamous "Oops" screen and a bunch of the following error(s) in the Xorg output:
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gnome-keyring-daemon: insufficient process capabilities, insecure memory might get used
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Window manager warning: Unsupported session type
Standalone gnome apps (nautilus, calendar, etc.) all seem to work fine from an xfce session.
Post here your experience if you happen to test successfully.

UPDATE: i manage to login by executing startx prepending XDG_SESSION_TYPE="x11", since i noticed it was not set in the environment.
No screen lock available because it needs the gdm display manager running. will keep testing

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Old 03-30-2020, 07:53 PM   #2
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Great ! Thanks for testing, I want to specify that these packages are just temporary and are serving for me to make the whole thing up and ready to go. IT will take some time, but step by step we come there.
Gnome now is wayland based but you can still run it with X11, all is needed to specify at run time.
I was able to run it within xfce session from a xfce terminal by running gnome-shell --x11 --replace . You will end up with 2 window managers but its good for testing enough. A lot of stuff needs configurations, elogind, dbus, pam, and all other friends.

You can run also a wayland session but it works only in --nested mode seems. If you run xfce and then from a terminal start gnome-shell --wayland --nested you should end up with the gnome-shell running in a window.

As said in another thread, for me right now priority is to have all built and set up, then I start working on details.

All help is very welcome.
 
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Old 03-31-2020, 03:08 AM   #3
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thanks to you for the packages, it's nice to have the gnome option available for the new slackware release.
Apart from the login problems, i tested the desktop a bit as a daily driver yesterday and I couldn't find a
thing out of place, also built the latest gnome-tweak-tool with ease to customize it a bit.
Pam/elogind issues are a bit over my reach to debug unfortunately, but as far as i can tell, regular desktop usage is
on par with the debian unstable release, which i use for work.
It's using a lot less RAM too on a cold boot (6-700MB against 1.2GB!).
This could very well be the best vanilla gnome release I've ever tested.
 
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Old 03-31-2020, 05:10 AM   #4
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Ok, gnome-tweak-tool has yet to come in the packages. And yes I can confirm that most of the things should be quite ok as they are built.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 06:04 AM   #5
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Great work saxa!! About to take it for a test ride. Do you have the SlackBuilds posted anywhere by any chance? Thanks again!
 
Old 04-01-2020, 06:19 AM   #6
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Hi thanks stormtracknole, dropline has its own build system named dropline-build-system (DBS) and you can get it from sf.net project page.
All scripts used to build come embedded within the package itself, of course without DBS they wont work, but installing the packages you get them in /usr/src/dropline-build-system/scripts/PACKAGE NAME .

This is becuase we used this way before that slackbuilds were popular. So unfortunately I will not change that also becuae DBS has a lot
of practical functions.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 07:11 AM   #7
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Hi thanks stormtracknole, dropline has its own build system named dropline-build-system (DBS) and you can get it from sf.net project page.
All scripts used to build come embedded within the package itself, of course without DBS they wont work, but installing the packages you get them in /usr/src/dropline-build-system/scripts/PACKAGE NAME .

This is becuase we used this way before that slackbuilds were popular. So unfortunately I will not change that also becuae DBS has a lot
of practical functions.
Not a problem at all. I was looking for something in case I had to tweak something and offer some feedback. I'll take a look at the build-system script. Thanks again!
 
Old 04-01-2020, 07:15 AM   #8
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Sure, you are very welcome to contribute and help. If you need any info just let me know. I am also idling in #dropline on freenode.net if needed.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 07:31 AM   #9
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Sure, you are very welcome to contribute and help. If you need any info just let me know. I am also idling in #dropline on freenode.net if needed.
Awesome! Will do.

Do you have a build order or a master script where you kickstart everything? Taking a look now and what is in /usr/src/. I just installed on one of my desktops. I agree with the sentiment that this is the fastest gnome that I have ever used.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 07:35 AM   #10
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You can get all needed stuff from sf.net dropline page. Just check out the svn branch DLG_3_36 all isthere.
 
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Old 04-01-2020, 07:37 AM   #11
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This is a bit off-topic but I haven't heard the name "dropline Gnome" in years! I was a big Gnome user from version 1-2.x then jumped ship when it hit 3. Gnome and I share a birthday, except in year . I had heard of and read about dropline back then but I don't think I built it. Just good to know the project is still alive.
 
Old 04-01-2020, 07:58 AM   #12
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You can get all needed stuff from sf.net dropline page. Just check out the svn branch DLG_3_36 all isthere.
Awesome! Thank you!
 
Old 04-01-2020, 08:10 AM   #13
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This is a bit off-topic but I haven't heard the name "dropline Gnome" in years! I was a big Gnome user from version 1-2.x then jumped ship when it hit 3. Gnome and I share a birthday, except in year . I had heard of and read about dropline back then but I don't think I built it. Just good to know the project is still alive.
Dropline gnome never stopped , there were a lot of people who step out from the time of 2.x series. Some new stepped in, etc.. I think this is quite a normal course, today really there is not much people helping. But this is also because there were no releases up to now.

I am still using Slackware 14.2 with dropline gnome 3.20 for my work. All works very nicely to be honest. When a new slackware release will be made I will do the release of the gnome version ready at that time. I think it is no sense to have all the time updateing something etc..., it is working well.

There is still a lot of tasks to solve before we release anything. But with the great additions we had in Slackware current and thanks to the awesome work from the Slackware team we have just 2 packages to be updated, not like before when we had to build practically the whole GTK stack and underlying packages. This is a big help.

Dropline gnome in the past was also rejected by a lot of people because of PAM, and rpobably still today will be, but in my point of view what is important its that it makes the job.

Anyway gnome 3 for who likes it its a nice polished and very stable desktop.
 
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Old 04-01-2020, 10:13 AM   #14
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A couple of things that I have already noticed:

* Easytag was set at the default File system manager.
* Cannot add custom wallpaper backgrounds. The option to add remains grey and unselectable (if that makes sense).

EDIT
To clarify, I can click on "Add Picture". From there, the open to select (Open) doesn't work.

Last edited by stormtracknole; 04-01-2020 at 10:17 AM. Reason: Clarification
 
Old 04-01-2020, 10:26 AM   #15
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As said this is a development in progress testing packages. So you are mostly on your own. I can tell you that over here those things work. Also probably this is due to the install order, some packages needs to be installed before the others some schemas needs to be
updated etc...
 
  


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