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Old 07-08-2006, 08:46 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Old_Fogie
After spending about 6hrs more hours on this issue alone and so many other things in slackware that are just broken for me, I'm giving up on slackware on my main pc.
Good to see you didn't give up on Slackware.

It will bust your *****, but it's fun.
 
Old 07-09-2006, 12:05 AM   #17
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Yea I ain't given up...but it does really really get me mad at times. I'm not going to lie to you.

I have to keep suse and mepis around so I can try other software out, or try and figure out how they do something so I can do it on my own, and not spam the forums here with too many questions.

It's been a couple of months now for me to get my desktop on slackware, and I'm still not there yet
 
Old 07-09-2006, 12:08 AM   #18
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Oh regarding "go into /proc/acpi"

all i have in there is :
alarm, dsdt, even, fadt, info, wakeup in the root of /proc/acpi

in my button folder I have "pwrb" and "pwrf"

and under processor...cpu0 I have "info, limit, power, throttling"

I have a thermal zone folder but nothing in it, but I just confirmed that everything in my kernel config for my new kernel has a yes box.

Maybe I have to do this initrd thingie because linux see's that I'm using a desktop pc and not a laptop?
 
Old 07-09-2006, 02:23 AM   #19
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Which Asus board is that? Linux ACPI support is not good -- compared to support in Windows. On some boards, ACPI in Linux just does not work, when it does it Windows.

I have Asus boards where ACPI has not worked since my first kernel, Linux-2.2.x, up to and including 2.6.17.4. And from watching the kernel closely for the last two years, there doesn't seem to be much effort to improve ACPI. Mostly seems to be geared towards SMP type of stuff right now. So, yeah, I think Linux kernel development is geared more towards servers than desktops. Not a problem, just an opinion.

How could we complain about something we're using for free? I look at Linux and it's distros as experimental hobby projects. When something works well, good; when it doesn't, I try to help find and report the bug.

Some blame the hardware manufacturers for lack of ACPI (or other) support, which is juvenile. They provide drivers for people who pay, not for those who don't want to pay. That's freedom, as in free to do whatever you want to with what you manufacture.

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Old 07-09-2006, 02:42 AM   #20
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I have an Asus A8N5X (nforce4) motherboard. I'm sure it has sensors for voltage, fan speed etc (I can see them in BIOS). They're selected in the kernel config; but all I can see are the CPU and GPU temperatures. And the CPU temperature is obviously incorrect, as it's always fixed at 40.0 (again at the BIOS settings I can see that the temp is changing, so the device is not broken).
 
Old 07-09-2006, 03:14 AM   #21
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my board is an asus a7n8x-e deluxe.

but what exactly should I be typing in my console to see temperatures of the cpu which is my concern?

or what do I need to get the temperature in "gkrellm" as that appears to be what everyone uses as a gui.

now I'm using that xmbmon which bypasses linux kernel and goes straight to my winbond chips on my mobo; so I can get them, I just want to learn for other computers is all.

fwiw, Linux runs really hot! a whole 5-10 degree's hotter than in windows.

that is based upon an actual temperature sensor that goes to a fan controller that I have that has a digital read out.

I've even plugged in a "multi-meter" that I have into the end of the "rtd" sensor and it's within a degree of accuracy.

Is the high temperature in linux due to the 1000 mhz option I chose in my kernel config for the "low-latency" desktop?

Now I know, that windows uses a load-shedding algorithyms. As a cpu (non-governed) rated at let's say 1ghz must allways run 1ghz, but what it calculates in those off-times is where the algorythms come in for lower power consumption. I do not see this type of analogy for linux.

Now, turning off hard drives manually with hdparm -Y /dev/hd...does help, but just a point of mention that I noticed as I'm so grossly over-clocked I pay attention to that stuff.

Maybe I have to by the next better version of arctic silver to get me down another five. God help me if I slap another fan in here, we might have another power grid failure here in the US if I do that ROFL.

Bye for now.
 
Old 07-09-2006, 06:19 AM   #22
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On the one computer I have where ACPI works partially this is what you input:
Code:
mingdao@titus:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THZN/temperature
temperature:             42 C
In that kernel:
Code:
mingdao@titus:~$ uname -a
Linux titus 2.6.16.22 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 30 20:26:09 CST 2006 i686 pentium4 i386 GNU/Linux

mingdao@titus:~$ cat kernel/linux-2.6.16.22/.config | grep -i acpi
# Power management options (ACPI, APM)
# ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support
CONFIG_ACPI=y
# CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP is not set
CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y
# CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON is not set
CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y
# CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY is not set
CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y
CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y
# CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS is not set
# CONFIG_ACPI_IBM is not set
# CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA is not set
# CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set
CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0
# CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set
CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y
# CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER is not set
CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m
# CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set
# CONFIG_PNPACPI is not set
However, ACPI doesn't work properly. For instance, this laptop will NOT reboot using ACPI. Whatever option or method you use, it will shutdown but not reboot. Giving it the three-finger salute, or choosing "Reboot the computer" from the Xfce menu, or shutting down X and then issuing as root "shutdown -r now" -- it just shuts it off. That is with the new BIOS, but with the old BIOS it didn't reboot at all -- and it didn't shutdown all the way -- it went part way through the shutdown process but hung with the computer still having power and no screen, so I was forced to manually turn it off with the power switch to shutdown. And iirc, the behavior was different with ACPI compiled as modules or built in.

It is not a problem of the computer, as it reboots fine from Windoze. The problem is that ACPI in Linux doesn't work properly. You can learn that by reading the ACPI page, or a whole lot of threads all over the internet.

I learned that ACPI does not work properly with another laptop. It kept shutting down when I ran Debian, but not running Windoze. I didn't know why, but was later to learn it was because ACPI nor APM would turn on the fan -- so it was overheating. In the process of trying everything under the sun, it burned up the southbridge chip on the mobo. Since I didn't want to spend $700+ USD to get it fixed, it's a wasted computer now.

Old Fogie, ACPI does not work properly on most PC motherboards -- and only partially on the few laptops to which I've installed Linux.

As I told you before, lm_sensors will give you the output in GKrellM (even gave you a screenshot to view) if it works on your box. Eric has a package, or you can use his SlackBuild script to build your own. You might want to edit his script, though, as lm_sensors is not kernel dependent, but his script currently appends a kernel version. Here, this is my installed package:
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ uname -a
Linux silas 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Sat Jul 8 08:04:29 CST 2006 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux

mingdao@silas:~$ ls /var/log/packages/lm_sensors*
/var/log/packages/lm_sensors-2.9.1_2.6.16-i486-1
on this PC. It does not work on titus, my laptop, where ACPI gives me the CPU temp.

I didn't mention lm_sensors again earlier because you indicated it was too much trouble doing this and you were giving up on Slackware. But ...

You will never be able to leave Slackware totally. You are now addicted! You cannot satisfy that pure Linux distribution, simplistic layout, and great performance with any of those cheap imitations known as commercial distributions. Only God can deliver you from Slackware now! You're hopelessly hooked!

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Old 07-09-2006, 07:38 AM   #23
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omg! I got it to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read the maker of the 'xmbmon' readme file. In it he says the chips for my mobo are :

Quote:
A7N8X(nForce2+ASB100+W83L785TS-S)
So I decided tonight to try out kernel 2.6.17.4 as it's supposedly stable, and the 2.6.17 was a little wierd, kind of slow on samba and other stuff.

Anyway, going thru this all some more I decided to try and modprobe the modules that he has listed, well much to my surprise, no error at the following:

Quote:
sh-3.00# /sbin/modprobe w83l785ts
sh-3.00# /sbin/modprobe asb100
then i opened up gkrellm...went to configure and OMG there was stuff there for me to click on it temperature...I have like 20 options LOL cool. the fan speeds are off, but I can live with that, believe me I can hear them

so apparently, my nforce2 board is suppoarted in it's entirety in gnu/linux. that is my gigabit ethernet, my agp, and my sensors, i can use the parrallel port, and usb is rock solid overclocked.

me thinks I may have to call tigerdirect and get me another one now
 
Old 07-09-2006, 08:25 AM   #24
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So glad you're getting happy with Slackware. The more you concentrate on getting it to work, the less time you'll have for Suzy and Me-piss.

And btw -- when you get the correct options in your kernel, you'll have fans, too. But you'll have to roll your own -- Pat's won't do it.

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Old 07-09-2006, 05:52 PM   #25
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You know that link I gave to that xmbmon is probably a worthwile download for many people in gnu/linux for the reason that in his readme file, he lists a bunch of motherboards and their corresponding sensors that they use. Even if you decide not to use his application.

That readme is really good for at least the purpose of knowing in case you every want ACPI temp's info in gnu/linux and don't know exactly what chips/sensors are on a specific board.
 
Old 07-10-2006, 05:18 AM   #26
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cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature gives you actual temperature, for example.. it is intersting to cat everthing in /proc/apci.
You can also go to /sys/devices/system/cpu , if you have one cpu, then directly:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq an do "cat" with files there, interesting too.
 
  


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