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Old 10-19-2014, 10:16 PM   #61
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How can a package that is in a constant state of evolution even make a solid claim it is ready for the masses? You claim religious crusade? Any sensible person who doesn't want to be told they are or made to feel stupid, ignorant, useless, and uncool by the idiot masses and a select few for not going along with fads, trends, or revolutions for the sake of revolution should crusade against such practices. How is that bad to stand up for common sense and sensibility? How is it bad to say, "You make claims now show your 'why' factor based in fact" a bad notion? Is it wrong to present counterpoints and ideas? My God, do people think and do for themselves, or do we have to bend to will and have a small kabal decide what's best for us like sheep?

Yet you and others wonder why I dislike fadware so much, and trends that aim at the short term rather than the long term and sensible projects with foundations?
 
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:54 PM   #62
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How can a package that is in a constant state of evolution even make a solid claim it is ready for the masses?
Where has this claim been made?
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You claim religious crusade? Any sensible person who doesn't want to be told they are or made to feel stupid, ignorant, useless, and uncool by the idiot masses and a select few for not going along with fads, trends, or revolutions for the sake of revolution should crusade against such practices.
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Is it wrong to present counterpoints and ideas? My God, do people think and do for themselves, or do we have to bend to will and have a small kabal decide what's best for us like sheep?
If you stand *right* on the other side of the fence and read your post again you could swear you were talking about the other side of the argument. People are allowed to present their ideas on *both* sides without zealotry. That sentiment apparently isn't taken very kindly around these parts, where anyone in support of systemd is a heretic.
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Yet you and others wonder why I dislike fadware so much, and trends that aim at the short term rather than the long term and sensible projects with foundations?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." You continue to talk about fads without addressing the question of how you know them to be fads. I have seen you advocating continued support for HAL! What a fad if ever there was one! HAL is 10 times the fad systemd ever was or will be. As is (or soon will be) ConsoleKit. I really don't think systemd will be a fad, or at least it will be a longer-lived one. That certainly doesn't mean it is good, but stop using that word (or come up with a better argument, presented rationally without blind hatred...though perhaps in a different thread).
 
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:02 PM   #63
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Nice you are working with it, and you have positive experience with it.
I have been working with it now for 1,5y with Slackware.
Also made a post on the forum here.

Here is the sourceforge page to the development. (Constantly ongoing)
https://sourceforge.net/p/dlackware/...i/master/tree/.

you can use it to check for things you might miss in your scripts, or even supply fixes to our scripts.

Have Fun,
 
Old 10-19-2014, 11:20 PM   #64
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Does every fucking daemon control matrix have to be crammed into bloody init?!
At this point you lose all semblance of credibility. If you can't discuss technical issues without being emotionally unstable there is a problem.

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Just because the rest of the GNU/Linux world wants to willfully throw itself off a bloody high-rise building shouting "Look at me!!! This is cool!!! I'm being revolutionary!!!! *SPLAT!*" doesn't mean everyone else wants to follow suit and not think for themselves.
You seem to be deliberately ignoring people who are still yet to make up their mind and who do not rush (just like Slackware doesn't rush) into making a choice either way. Why do you think you are more knowledgeable than anyone else?

Just because one individual, who happens to use Slackware, decides to post about his experiment with systemd doesn't mean everyone wants to follow suit. Also just because someone, who happens to use Slackware, decides to post about his experiment with systemd doesn't mean you can go off your rocker.

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When did this forum turn into a religious crusade?
I've been a member in LQ for a few years now and quite a few people from the Slackware community treat everything Slackware as a religion. If you dare to disagree with them get ready for the fire and brimstone. What gets me with this thread is some people are now swearing. By the way not all Slackers are zealots, there are some who are moderates and understand the concept that other people are allowed to have a personal opinion that doesn't agree with them

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If you stand *right* on the other side of the fence and read your post again you could swear you were talking about the other side of the argument. People are allowed to present their ideas on *both* sides without zealotry. That sentiment apparently isn't taken very kindly around these parts, where anyone in support of systemd is a heretic.
Never has a truer word been posted in LQ.
 
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:58 PM   #65
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I would not mind systemd if it was more like the shim and uselessd being 100% modular based in the non-monolithic development model, and not what it is claimed, and is currently. GNU/Linux might benefit from an init system if it was sound, stable, and performed it's duties well like sysvinit has done, but in that, it should only be an init system, and only be an init system. So far all I've seen is hype, hear-say, and repeated rhetoric from the pro-systemd crowd, and not the sense and sensibility crowd.

Now all of you pro-systemders can gang up on me all you want, but honestly, we all know in the end who is in charge of Slackware and it is not any of you. If you wish to have your Slackware with systemd, by all means nobody is stopping you from making your own fork, and then you can be in charge then. Just please don't push, pressure, and pester indirectly that Slackware, or any distribution, has to have systemd.

You can also claim haldaemon and consolekit were fads too, but at least they were developed with the broad spectrum of UNIX and UNIX-like systems in mind, not just Linux alone with prejudice.

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Old 10-20-2014, 01:15 AM   #66
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Is it wrong to present counterpoints and ideas?
It is if you incessantly and deliberately subvert every thread on the topic. (https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post5152790) While the OP and some have done their best to keep this thread on topic you and a few others have, again, derailed it beyond repair.
 
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