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Old 05-12-2019, 11:43 AM   #61
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I say let's all just jump in and thrash out any issues. This is arguably the most important Slackware release ever and I intend to help support it as soon as possible.
This sounds like an early 15.1 might happen
 
Old 05-12-2019, 12:08 PM   #62
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This time, I'm going to be one of the early adopters.

As soon as the 15.0 announcement hits the ChangeLog, I'm installing it on my every-day use laptop and using the hell out of it.
Awesome! At the moment I'm running -current on three desktops, and two laptops. I will be moving three of my units to 15.0. I am going to pay Pat for my 15.0 download when it arrives. I am really looking forward to installfest 2019.
 
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:26 PM   #63
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Hence, my question: what if the Slackware 15.0 will never comes?

You spoiled guys from USA or Western Europe, you will still support Slackware, if will be forever just -current, like in a rolling release?

I for one, I will be quite happy to use forever this -current, but also I am a quite "bad payer" too, as sadly for now I am quite limited financially.

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Old 05-12-2019, 12:48 PM   #64
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Hence, my question: what if the Slackware 15.0 will never comes?
I don't think that will happen. There have been releases in the past that have taken a few years, so this is not unprecedented. The 15.0 version is a big deal, a major release. As always Pat will take the needed time to get it right. The 15.0 release will be worth the wait.
 
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:54 PM   #65
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Hence, my question: what if the Slackware 15.0 will never comes?
Interesting hypothetical. I'm a patient person, but if the years stretch by and I find that I can no longer abide 14.1, then I suppose the right thing to do would be to pick the iteration of -current which seems least risky and use that. It's for similar scenarios that I keep a -current archive.

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You spoiled guys from USA or Western Europe, you will still support Slackware, if will be forever just -current, like in a rolling release?
I can't speak for others, but this "spoiled guy" from the USA will continue to support Slackware.

For one, I will hold out hope that Patrick will make a release some day. For another, I feel that I am still catching up to my debt to Patrick for all the years I used Slackware and gave back nothing.

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I for one, I will be quite happy to use forever this -current, but also I am a quite "bad payer" too, as sadly for now I am quite limited financially.
The "free rider problem" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem arguably does not apply to information-based products such as Slackware.

Information (including software) is not like other products (like bananas or houses) where volume of supply is sharply limited by production and distribution. Once information is created, it can be replicated and redistributed without limit, at very low cost compared to the cost of creation.

This implies that as long as there are enough customers to support the creation of Slackware, any number of people can receive the product without posing a burden and without causing underprovision of the product. The formulation of the "free rider problem" does not take this kind of market dynamic into account.

Despite this, I always felt a little bad for not doing more to support Slackware, but for many years my finances were too tight to justify doing so. So, now I'm trying to make up for it (and news of Volkerding being cheated by the Slackware store also spurred me to take action). *shrug* Such is the way of the world.
 
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Old 05-12-2019, 01:38 PM   #66
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And here I am wondering if Pat will release 14.3 just to yank our chains (whether real or identified) and have a good chuckle.
 
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:45 PM   #67
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Making Slackware into a rolling release distro is kind of an interesting idea. I don't think it will happen though as to ensure better stability, you do have to "freeze" package version releases at some point, and really update just for security patches.

I think one of the bigger reasons 15.0 is having a longer development cycle is Pat is deciding if, how, and when to include Plasma 5 into -current.
 
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:01 AM   #68
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I think one of the bigger reasons 15.0 is having a longer development cycle is Pat is deciding if, how, and when to include Plasma 5 into -current.
...or drop it like he did Gnome back then...
 
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:40 AM   #69
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Does anyone else remember Blag Linux? I think they won the version numbering game easily.
mhm... latest version is 140000

 
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mhm... latest version is 140000

wrong
according to distrowatch it is 200000 (200k)
 
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:58 AM   #71
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wrong
according to distrowatch it is 200000 (200k)
You are both right. Blag 140000 is the last stable release, and 200000 was an alpha release from an energetic contributor based in South America who decided to reanimate the marque around 2013/14.

Blag stood for the Brixton Linux Action Group, which had premises in Brixton from which they ran a computer recycling effort, an internet cafe and from which a 1 cd linux distribution based on Fedora was distributed. The distribution featured a blob free kernel (and that I think became a separate project, but I may have false memory there) and a significant amount of graphical software. The Brixton based aspect of the project seems to have lapsed at 140000. I enjoyed blag as a way into Fedora and as a refreshingly alternative approach. Jeff Moe was the original blag packager (ancient interview in which we discover that he started with Slackware...)

Some years later a developer/packager based in South America decided to start development again based on a more recent Fedora (itself a moving target). Some activity for a year or so then things appear to have petered out after 2014. Gnu have now retired the blag entry. This reanimation of the distro had no geographical connection with Brixton.

Back on topic (insofar as there is a topic). I don't think the same fate will befall Slackware simply because of the tools and scripts supplied with the project.

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Old 05-13-2019, 11:17 AM   #72
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Blag stood for the Brixton Linux Action Group, which had premises in Brixton from which they ran a computer recycling effort, an internet cafe and from which a 1 cd linux distribution based on Fedora was distributed. The distribution featured a blob free kernel (and that I think became a separate project, but I may have false memory there) and a significant amount of graphical software. The Brixton based aspect of the project seems to have lapsed at 140000. I enjoyed blag as a way into Fedora and as a refreshingly alternative approach.
Probably the only good thing ever to come out of Brixton. It's one of the most depressing areas of London I know.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 11:26 AM   #73
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Probably the only good thing ever to come out of Brixton. It's one of the most depressing areas of London I know.
Perhaps I'm old but my memories are different.

PS: My Spitalfields (Jewish area) is quite different to the Spitalfields experienced by a colleage/friend of mine (Bangladeshi home cooking) and we were there something like 3 years apart. Cities are stage sets. Definitely 'current'.
 
Old 05-13-2019, 11:55 AM   #74
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Probably the only good thing ever to come out of Brixton.
Oh, the Brixton Academy (music venue), now called the O2 Academy, is quite a significant place where lots of famous concerts have taken place. And I've been to the cinema over there too.
 
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:14 PM   #75
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Oh, the Brixton Academy (music venue), now called the O2 Academy, is quite a significant place where lots of famous concerts have taken place. And I've been to the cinema over there too.
But those are in Brixton and never came out of Brixton My gigging life started in Brixton Academy - I remember seeing Foo Fighters there on one of their first tours [when Dave Grohl was still largely thought of as that drummer from Nirvana].
 
  


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