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Old 06-16-2020, 03:07 AM   #1
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Some thoughts about the future of Slackware


Attention: it's not trolling or attempt for provocation. Just some thoughts many of you probably had already.

Slackware reputation as stable distro has stepped back significantly for the last 8-10 years. Especially now with 4+ years delay of the new release.

Why Slackware wouldn't drop support for i386 and old releases, and stay more concentrated on its rolling release model instead?

Since many Slackware users already switched to -current and kind of accepted that Slackware now is de-facto rolling release, why not to switch to Arch or Gentoo?

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Old 06-16-2020, 03:14 AM   #2
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Me: *shakes Magic 8-ball* Magic 8-ball, please tell me,
what might the future of Slackware be?

Magic 8-ball: Future's bright, man.
 
Old 06-16-2020, 03:15 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by I.G.O.R View Post
Attention: it's not trolling or attempt for provocation.
well, that's a nice incipit...
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Just some thoughts many of you probably had already.
I actually hadn't.

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Slackware reputation as stable distro has stepped back significantly for the last 8-10 years.
??? can you elaborate why?

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Especially now with 4+ years delay of the new release.
TBH there can't be a delay if noone fixed a release date at first...

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Since many Slackware users switched to -current and kind of accepted that Slackware now is de-facto rolling release, why not to switch to Arch or Gentoo?
well, IMHO, it's still *not* a rolling release, it's the development version of Slackware, and the two other distributions you cite are different things (especially the second, that you have to build yourself)...
but I can't see much point in discussing in this specific subforum the switch to another distribution... maybe you better discuss this in a general subforum.

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Why Slackware wouldn't drop support for i386 and old releases, and stay more concentrated on its rolling release model instead?
beside not existing a "rolling release model", why should old releases be dropped?
Slackware is, de facto, the distribution with the longest support for older releases, and this for anyone maintaining servers is a *BIG* plus...

I think you are assuming that your personal considerations are shared by the masses but maybe they aren't, at all.

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Old 06-16-2020, 03:25 AM   #4
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Ah that's a sort of provocation in some way...

I won't try to use Gentoo or Arch. They aren't clones of Slackware and will never be.

I also don't see why Slackware should drop older versions. They had kept every versions and it gives a sort of warranty that your specific install will be maintained without being obliged to switch to the latest or the latest current. Your choices or freedom is respected.

And even if I now prefer current for MY needs, others can have good (or not) reasons to keep the stable version they have on their tuned machine. I have even a Slackware 12.1 machine I never upgrade and is working well for some specialized needs.
 
Old 06-16-2020, 03:34 AM   #5
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Let's be honest. It IS a problem that it's been so long since the last release.

PV said so himself in the changelogs: Slackware 14.2 is becoming increasingly difficult to support due to the number of outdated packages and the lack of support for new hardware in the kernel.

I don't know anything about Slackware's "reputation as a stable distribution", but I do know that Slackware 14.2 can't be installed on several platforms due to kernel panics either during installation or when booting the "huge" kernel.

However, I don't see the logic in switching to another distribution rather than running -current. The argument seems to be:

"Since you're running Slackware-current, which basically works like a rolling release, why not switch to an entirely different distribution that has little in common with Slackware, but is an actual rolling release?"

How does that make sense? Surely, people aren't using Slackware just because it has version numbers?

I'm looking forward to Slackware 15, even though it looks like I'll have to recompile a significant number of packages and replace a few others in order to have it do what I need it to do. But with Slackware that's not really all that difficult, and the process can be automated with fairly little effort.
 
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Old 06-16-2020, 03:42 AM   #6
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Let's be honest. It IS a problem that it's been so long since the last release.
the only bump I hit here was about not shipping a maintained php, so I have to host virtual machines with current to serve websites, but it's not a task that hard.
I also build custom-made packages with php-7.4.x on 14.1, I doubt it would have been that easy on other distros...
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I do know that Slackware 14.2 can't be installed on several platforms due to kernel panics either during installation or when booting the "huge" kernel.
IMHO also that is not that difficult to workaround, booting a current installer and then pointing to a 14.2 mirror and/or building a custom kernel/using the one from current.

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Old 06-16-2020, 03:48 AM   #7
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Since many Slackware users already switched to -current and kind of accepted that Slackware now is de-facto rolling release, why not to switch to Arch or Gentoo?
I haven't. I prefer the stability and ease to maintain multiple computers (5+) with Slackware-14.2.

-current is too much of a moving target for me to keep up with that many machines running different configurations.

I have tried both Arch (breaks too much) and Gentoo (too time consuming) and very happy where I'm at with Slackware.

I do have one computer running -current, but only to keep up with my packages for when 15.0 does release.

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Old 06-16-2020, 03:53 AM   #8
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IMHO also that is not that difficult to workaround, booting a current installer and then pointing to a 14.2 mirror and/or building a custom kernel/using the one from current.
Booting a -current installer and then installing from a 14.2 mirror simply delays the kernel panic until the final reboot. You have to replace the kernel (huge or generic+initrd), and while doing that isn't particularly difficult if you know your way around Linux, it's not something most users can do.

If a first-time Slackware user were to post a question in the Slackware forum about getting a kernel panic during installation or when the system first boots, I'd say the sensible answer would be "try building a -current installation medium, because 14.2 is just too old".
 
Old 06-16-2020, 04:06 AM   #9
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I haven't. I prefer the stability and ease to maintain multiple computers (5+) with Slackware-14.2.

-current is too much of a moving target for me to keep up with that many machines running different configurations.
+1.

I upgraded a Samba file server to -current a while back, and I quickly learned the hard way that Samba 4.12.2 contains a nasty bug (that has since been fixed) that affects all editions of Windows 7. That's what you get with a rolling release; if a bug gets past the developers, it'll typically make its way into the distribution.

(That little incident also highlighted an annoying issue with slackpkg and to a certain extent Slackware itself, which is the lack of a proper rollback mechanism when doing package updates. But that's an entirely different discussion.)
 
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Old 06-16-2020, 04:42 AM   #10
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Why does this come up so often?? People need to calm down.
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Slackware reputation as stable distro has stepped back significantly for the last 8-10 years.
I disagree with everything you said, but especially this comment. I'd like to know why you think this is true.
 
Old 06-16-2020, 05:19 AM   #11
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Attention: it's not trolling or attempt for provocation.
Oh but it is.

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Just some thoughts many of you probably had already.
Don't count me as part of this "many of you"

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Slackware reputation as stable distro has stepped back significantly for the last 8-10 years. Especially now with 4+ years delay of the new release.
Don't recall a release date every being set for a new version of Slackware, ever. For me it is rock stable.

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Why Slackware wouldn't drop support for i386 and old releases, and stay more concentrated on its rolling release model instead?
Why should it? Where is the harm in keeping 32-bit around since there are plenty of Slackware users still using older equipment. (As a side not, i386 support was dropped Wed May 21 16:05:37 PDT 2003 in Slackware 9.1) Slackware does not have a rolling release model. I think of -current as a beta test bed for the next release.

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Since many Slackware users already switched to -current and kind of accepted that Slackware now is de-facto rolling release
There are plenty of folks who have not switched. One cannot accept what Slackware is not and that is Slackware is not a rolling release. As I mentioned above, Slackware-current is more comparable to a beta test for the next version release. Prior to a release it will shift to a release candidate, then once past that phase it will be released as a new version.

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why not to switch to Arch or Gentoo?
Simple answer, Arch or Gentoo is NOT Slackware.

I just don't get why some folks feel they must come to this forum and make statements like this. There are plenty of other threads with a similar theme. If you do not like Slackware, then find one that suits you best, there are plenty of other distributions out there, please help yourself. I would never go to another distribution forum and spout nonsense about it.

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Old 06-16-2020, 05:47 AM   #12
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Some people seem to change opinion pretty fast... here's the OP's opinion on Slackware a fortnight ago:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post6129091
 
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Old 06-16-2020, 05:57 AM   #13
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How about not letting this thread devolve into ad hominem attacks?
 
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:07 AM   #14
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How about not letting this thread devolve into ad hominem attacks?
I do not see the ad hominem attacks yet?
 
Old 06-16-2020, 06:15 AM   #15
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Slackware reputation as stable distro has stepped back significantly for the last 8-10 years. Especially now with 4+ years delay of the new release.

...

Since many Slackware users already switched to -current and kind of accepted that Slackware now is de-facto rolling release, why not to switch to Arch or Gentoo?
Why not indeed? Off you go.
 
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