I don't know what Gentoo's doing, but Mario's post describes the situation.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5468844

From https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Headset#BlueZ_5

All this talk about pulseaudio and bluez made me curious. I have been doing a bit of searching b/c half of what you guys are talking about is over my head. In general there does not seem to be much love for either application... but all the threads and articles I found seem to come back around to the idea that there are no other options. I guess that is where we are...

Perhaps not, but what worked before was broken, so we fixed that.

If there's something else that worked before that's broken now, let us know and we'll take a look.

Honestly, I doubt I would even notice the changes if it weren't for all the threads. I have complete faith in the development of Slackware... I am sure no stone was left unturned in trying to sort this out. I am looking forward to 14.2 :)

like others repeat their opinion, so what, or do you mean that just want to read what fits to your opinion? sound like that.

those who need PAM have to have to use a different distro there where they need it until then.
you are not in this situation so you do not care

No, but if you've ever heard of the term, "beating the dead horse", this is the equivalent. Not to mention that Robby said that every time people start clamoring for PAM, it makes them want to not touch it for a while.

You don't have to use another distro. There's several projects out there that bring PAM to Slackware.

Personally, I don't care if PAM gets added (if you're correct that most won't notice), but constantly repeating the same thing trying to get Pat to change his mind does get annoying. It seems like almost every thread on PAM, you have to come in and state that people won't notice. You won't convince Pat that it needs to be added. He will add it when he feels like Slackware needs it.

thanks for your advice,bassmadrigal, just that you have some context, not that I expect that facts matter for you, but I was not the person who was talking about an axe in the leg, so re-mentioning the non-noticeable op PAM seemed ok for me, but of course you don't need context, feel free to practice selective reading and giving advice to people what the should or possible should not post in your point of view.

a4z, you should listen to bassmadrigal, this conversation is "been there, done that". All points worth considering have been considered and there is no new information, you should refrain from speaking on this again until the day Slackware actually has the bad taste to add pam/kereberos. The only thing you are doing successfully now is sabotaging your own interests.

What facts am I misunderstanding? There was a PAM thread, you then came in and repeated the same thing you always do in PAM threads... that no one would even notice if PAM was added. That is what I was commenting on... so maybe you should work on your comprehension, since there was no "selective reading" on my part. I read and understood the whole thread.

I have no issue with PAM, but it is frustrating seeing the same things spouted every time a PAM thread comes up. Pat and team know what they're doing, and I'd imagine they are well aware of how the inclusion of PAM would/wouldn't affect users. I don't think you need to remind them in every PAM thread that most users won't notice it being added. But, if you feel that desire, then that's up to you. I'm sharing my opinion, just as you are sharing yours.

You seem to think I am attacking you. I am not. I'm just mentioning that you are always repeating the same thing in these threads, and that it probably doesn't need to be done since the powers that be are already aware. But if you really want to continue repeating yourself, then by all means... continue :)

ok for you, certainly. But, when you post on a public forum, the question you ask should be: is it ok for your readers?

well, the most noise comes not from me but, as usual, from the 'die hard don not metion PAM' fraction.
its always the same, start some FUD, like axes in a feet, then I mention that this is not the case, and then the self declared guards of what is OK to say and not make noise and nothing to the topic.

well, enough for me for now in this thread, reality is, if Slackware does not work in most of the environments I work than I can not use it there, and this is no problem for me, if fact it's a great experience.
so in real I do not care, if Slackware does not want me to use most of my time it it's OK for me. But that does PAM nor, as proven now, PA still not make an ax somewhere in somebody's body, and if I read such a mess I will also comment it also in future.

Here's the question I have for people who start (and discuss) these kinds of topics. Why is this even an issue? Slackware has always stood for stability and reliability, as well as being "modern and relevant". I have been using Slackware for about 10 years now, and if there were even a hint that Slackware was about adding things just for kicks, then I would have abandoned it years ago. All you need to know about the inclusion of Pulseaudio is explained in the ChangeLog. The ramifications of it are explained in Alien BOB's blog entry. I'm going to be frank here: if some people here would know how to read and to reason well, these threads would not exist. Period. The addition of Pulseaudio is a non-issue, for reasons stated by Pat V. himself, and PAM is a topic best left for later discussion, if indeed circumstances warrant it.

Agreed. I've occasionally argued for the inclusion of PAM in Slackware, but PV + co have a better grip on the needs of the distribution as a whole, and where to prioritize their own limited time and energy.

PAM is on their radar. They're aware of it. They know why you and I and some other folks want it. If it is ever made part of Slackware, it will be when they decide it is right.

Until then, I fiddle with alternatives and don't bitch about it here (just as I don't bitch about PA; even though it's not my own personal ideal solution, they have all of the Slackware users to think about, not just me me me).

+1 on that.