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Astro 06-05-2003 04:41 PM

Slackware Quirks -- What do you want to see today?
 
Well upon reading a number of threads from users I was interested to see what people would like changed in Slackware for the next version or for an update or what things you do or don't like about Slackware now? Or do you simply like everything the way it is? I personally would like to see the return of Enlightenment (E17 possibly) when it comes out... What about everyone else?

Tinkster 06-05-2003 05:26 PM

I'd rather have the kernel source than gnome ;)

And something that I personally don't mind (I'm
setting rc.inetX up manually anyway) is that
even though the scripts by default handle
two interfaces netconfig doesn't ;)

Cheers,
Tink

quietguy47 06-05-2003 06:16 PM

Quote:

I'd rather have the kernel source than gnome ;)
I have to agree.

Manx_UK 06-05-2003 07:09 PM

Just better hardware support, especially for soundcards and ADSL. Other than that it's perfect. Came to Slack from MDK and RH, and i personally prefer it above those distros, and even though it is harder to configure, once it is, it is superb.

contrasutra 06-05-2003 07:20 PM

Dependency checking (at least during install),
and the kernel source on the disk. (though I like gnome)

Also, include the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. I know it can cause legal troubles, but the few distros that have done it, havent had any problems.


Would portage be able to be "ported" to Slackware, because that would be a cool way to get source, no more endless searching for me. ;)

Astro 06-05-2003 07:29 PM

I'd have to agree with the source thing, and I also like the idea of the nvidia drivers/ati drivers.

The netconfig was one that struck me as really good. I'd really like to see that, I hate having to edit those files and guess which card is which when sometimes I just don't know by looking at the backs of them.

The dependency checking was a thing I saw a few people mention earlier this year on the forum, not sure of what thread, but it was something on the lines of package management with dependency checking I think.

Tinkster 06-05-2003 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manx_UK
Just better hardware support, especially for soundcards and ADSL. Other than that it's perfect.
Hardware support = Kernel feature => "not Slack's business" ;)

Really, I am GLAD that Slack only has a stock-kernel,
that makes it easy to get a fix soon... Just looking back
at the beef that one of my colleagues had with that
f*ing MDK box and the Intel i845G chipset, and how
long it took MDK to integrate the fix into their kernels....
It was so depressing :) ... 2.4GHZ CPU and a measly
3MB/s througput on the HDD, the box almost frozen.

/me shudders ... :)

Cheers,
Tink

Tinkster 06-05-2003 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Astro

The netconfig was one that struck me as really good. I'd really like to see that, I hate having to edit those files and guess which card is which when sometimes I just don't know by looking at the backs of them.

Ummm
lspci -v
?;)
Then modprob :)

Btw, it won't "detect" more than the following cards:
Code:

3c59x acenic de4x5 dgrs eepro100 epic100 hp100 lance    ne2k-pci olympic pcnet32 rcpci rtl8139 8139too 8139cp sktr tulip via-rhine yellowfin natsemi
One funny thing I need to add here :)
In one of my boxes I have a davicom card,
and Mdk and Slack both loaded the tulip module
for it instead of the dmfe :) ... the module loads,
but the card won't work, which I find rather
annoying ;) and without the knowledge what
card it is I wouldn't have found the solution
that quickly ...


And I didn't say netconfig is bad: it just doesn't
save you from editing the files manually if you
happen to have two or more network cards (which
would be the case if you used the box as a firewall/router).

Cheers,
Tink

contrasutra 06-05-2003 07:42 PM

So netconfig doesnt have all the options you need? I wouldnt know, I use DHCP, and it works fine.

I also like the fact that Slackware is "generic". I always had problems w/ source and other things compiling on those "special" machines, and Id have to look for distro specific install instructions. With slackware. I never have to specify a library path again! :D

Tinkster 06-05-2003 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by contrasutra
So netconfig doesnt have all the options you need? I wouldnt know, I use DHCP, and it works fine.

Read the whole thread again mate :}

1.) I don't USE it
2.) If you had more than 1 network card,
you wouldn't either ;)

Quote:

Originally posted by contrasutra
I also like the fact that Slackware is "generic". I always had problems w/ source and other things compiling on those "special" machines, and Id have to look for distro specific install instructions. With slackware. I never have to specify a library path again! :D

And I LOVE Slack, no way back ;)

Cheers,
Tink

Astro 06-05-2003 08:07 PM

I'd have to agree with the fact that there's "no way back" hehe I like slack for it's "basicness" if thats a word, and if it's not it is now. The only thing I would LOVE to see is that the downloadable version of slackware ALWAYS stays on one disc. That would kill me if I had to download more than one disc to completely install the distro. I hope they keep it minimalistic, and not bloat it like red hate lunix haha

Azmeen 06-05-2003 08:09 PM

I love Slack as it is, but here are some ways in which to make newbies less scared of trying to install Slack:

1) More detailed description of packages.
I have to say that the one-line description of packages (which also frequently gets cut, especially the long ones) are not detailed enough.

2) Integrate some sort of "live update" package updating system
Maybe swaret can help with that... And maybe a GUI backend can be included with it, again, as to not scare off newbies ;)

I'll think of more soon...

Astro 06-05-2003 08:16 PM

Package management is seeming like a large issue in slackware. Any thoughts on how to make it easier for noobs?

Manx_UK 06-05-2003 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Astro
Package management is seeming like a large issue in slackware. Any thoughts on how to make it easier for noobs?
I'd highly recommend SWARET. Just updated KDE to 3.1.2 and main GCC/GLIB libs without a hitch. Easy to use and reliable (so far).

contrasutra 06-05-2003 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Azmeen
[B]I love Slack as it is, but here are some ways in which to make newbies less scared of trying to install Slack:

1) More detailed description of packages.
I have to say that the one-line description of packages (which also frequently gets cut, especially the long ones) are not detailed enough.
Do you mean during install or when normally using pkgtool. Because during install, if you choose "Newbie" mode, it will give you a paragraph description of each package, including its dependancies.

And there is a way to get the full package description in pkgtool, I just forget how. :D

Astro 06-05-2003 08:41 PM

I havn't used swaret before, and have heard little about it, anyone have any other information on it? I saw that azmeen has the link down as http://swaret.xbone.be/ and I intend to read it but anyone have any other user experience with swaret they'd like to share?

causticmtl 06-05-2003 08:42 PM

As a noob to Slackware (and Linux), I'd have to say update the the Slackware "Book" (http://www.slackware.com/book/).
A lot of the references they make to various files simply aren't there or have moved.

For instance, typing /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86Setup as root gives me a command not found. Same thing if I type SuperProbe. I haven't located either file as root with a whereis.

Oh, and how about rp-pppoe? On a new install, I have to log into the Windows partition, download rp-pppoe for my dsl connection, copy it to the Slackware partition and then finally install it.

Astro 06-05-2003 08:45 PM

Updating the book is a good idea, I'll see what I can come up with by sending out some e-mails and maybe get it updated.

contrasutra 06-05-2003 08:59 PM

There is an unofficial update to the slackware book. Here: http://slackbook.yoshiwara.org.uk/

You would probobly find that more helpful, because the only still up-to-date thing in the official book seems to be the install process (does that tell you something?;) )

Manx_UK 06-05-2003 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Astro
I havn't used swaret before, and have heard little about it, anyone have any other information on it? I saw that azmeen has the link down as http://swaret.xbone.be/ and I intend to read it but anyone have any other user experience with swaret they'd like to share?
Latest version is 1.2.2a. I believe it now includes dependency checking.

Here's the set of commands used to upgrade a current Slackware package:

swaret --update (Prepares a list available packages in "current" from a set of Slack Linux source ftps)

swaret --list -u (Displays a list of available packages compared to what you have installed)

swaret --upgrade <packagename> -a (auto) (blank man) install and then remove old version.

I've had no problem upgrading anything using just these few commands. It installs the new stuff, removes the old, and puts everything where it should do.

There is a complete listing of commands and what they do by typing swaret --morehelp.

causticmtl 06-05-2003 10:10 PM

Thanks for the link, contrasutra.

... exactly what I needed.

Astro 06-05-2003 10:14 PM

I'm afraid if I update my laptop from Slack 9 RC 2 I will lose some things like Enlightenment and I don't want to mess around with it really. I havn't had any problems yet with it and if it's not broke don't fix it hehe

causticmtl 06-05-2003 10:39 PM

Hey, you know, it just occured to me that the link contrasutra provided should be a sticky on this site somewhere.

This would answer a lot of questions that most newbs (like me) have when installing Slackware 9.0.

... not to mention that at least some of this material should have been posted on the Slackware home page ages ago.

Manx_UK 06-05-2003 11:07 PM

That Slackware Book link is great. Cheers!

p.s- Here's a link to the latest SWARET download + homepage details if anyone's interested in trying it out.

http://freshmeat.net/projects/swaret

EDIT: If you go to the homepage and go to the Annoucements forum there is a newer version (1.2.2a) available for d/l. This is the most current release.

Azmeen 06-06-2003 01:21 AM

Yeah, and another important thing:

We need more fonts!

I know we can grab as many as we want from the net and/or Windows partitions, but what about people who are using Slack primarily for offline work like word-processing, etc... And for those who don't have Windows installed?

dryhte 06-06-2003 02:35 AM

I'd like an optional kernel with support for framebuffer graphics :) (www.bootsplash.org) I was sooooo impressed when I tried Gentoo rc4 last week! (still, keep using Slack because I got it configured quite easily, and I'm still not too comfortable with gentoo's deciding so much for you)

Azmeen 06-06-2003 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dryhte
I'd like an optional kernel with support for framebuffer graphics :) (www.bootsplash.org) I was sooooo impressed when I tried Gentoo rc4 last week! (still, keep using Slack because I got it configured quite easily, and I'm still not too comfortable with gentoo's deciding so much for you)
The kernel supplied with Slack 9 already supports framebuffer (2.4.20). In fact there's a tiny penguin on the top left corner of your screen when you bootup using one of the framebuffer enabled settings (not sure what it's called though).

dryhte 06-06-2003 04:05 AM

Yup... supports framebuffer but doesn't support using whatever nifty background theme you wish (I know I didn't say it right ;) ). Read around on the page I linked to :) you might like it (and it's one more reason to keep using the cli instead of a nice looking window manager :)

Astro 06-06-2003 02:25 PM

I personally like the little penguin, makes me feel special when i boot up and people see it. :D

contrasutra 06-06-2003 02:57 PM

Azmeen: Your call has been answered (two weeks ago). Patrick added the Bitstream Vera fonts to the 9.1 branch, so I assume they will be in the next release.

You should really get the Bitstream Vera fonts, they are free, high quality, antialiased fonts. Get them from either the slackware ftp , or here: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sourc...eam-vera/1.10/

They are way nicer than the Windows fonts. The fonts work in Windows too. :D

JustSlack 06-06-2003 03:21 PM

Improve Slackware? Is that possible:confused:

Azmeen 06-06-2003 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by contrasutra
Azmeen: Your call has been answered (two weeks ago). Patrick added the Bitstream Vera fonts to the 9.1 branch, so I assume they will be in the next release.

You should really get the Bitstream Vera fonts, they are free, high quality, antialiased fonts. Get them from either the slackware ftp , or here: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sourc...eam-vera/1.10/

They are way nicer than the Windows fonts. The fonts work in Windows too. :D

Woohoooo! :D :)

shreev 06-06-2003 10:23 PM

Personally I think they ought to remove Netscape and replace it with the Kernel Sources - after all, what's the use of having both Mozilla and Netscape when both use the same engine ??

I am also looking forward to the inclusion of Enlightenment - 17 or otherwise.

contrasutra 06-06-2003 10:57 PM

Yeah, I agree. No need for Netscape AND mozilla. The inclusion of Phoenix would be nice though.

Also, I dought E17 will be ready by slackware 9.1 . Only the basic functions are woking, its not ready to be released yet.

Astro 06-06-2003 11:43 PM

I definatly see no reason to have both browsers, possibly the introduction of opera to the mix would be nice. I think it's quite a functional browser.

I can't wait for E17 to come out, but I dunno if slack will have it or not since pat said they removed E int he first place because of a libast conflict or something. I posted the e-mail from him that he sent back to me but I can't seem to find it, though it was in an earlier thread on here.

h1tman 08-21-2003 06:25 PM

slackware 9.1? when?

linuxJaver 08-22-2003 11:26 PM

I wish the one CD simplicity. Simplicity is devine ? ABSOLUTELY !!
n the better package management (dependencies checking) like often mentioned ..

I hope to see those vendors puting their packages to other distros on the nets .. will consider back to put one for slackware in future .. :) , but wut if they stucked by the dependencies problem ?

I mean I'd once tried to install sunOneApplicationServer, it failed with thing like some lib-thing is not available, n I've no clue wut it is where to find it, belong to which package ..

I'd actually like save time to stream another distro into harddsik if those 3rd party packages like SunOneStudio, AppServers for slackware is available, just changing the rpm to tgz didn't work .. :(

I wish the Install-CD not increase over a CD caused of the cosmetics thingies, if it has to, then not of that .. :D, kernel sources can be let out or put in another CD. Those kernel cookers should know all distros use the same source of kernels, just suck the actual from kernel.org / mirrors is more convenience.. (as of Slack related config-stuff could be easily put in a webpage or in slackware-current if really needed) ..

Tarts 08-23-2003 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Azmeen ]The kernel supplied with Slack 9 already supports framebuffer (2.4.20). In fact there's a tiny penguin on the top left corner of your screen when you bootup using one of the framebuffer enabled settings (not sure what it's called though).
2.4.18. has framebuffer, i guess i enabled mine by setting the resolution:
Code:

# Menu to check if we want to use VESA framebuffer support:
use_framebuffer() {
if cat /proc/devices | grep "29 fb" 1> /dev/null ; then
  dialog --title "CONFIGURE LILO TO USE FRAME BUFFER CONSOLE?" \
  --default-item 1024x768x256 \
  --menu

to the highest it will go. :)

Kocil 08-23-2003 09:20 AM

Being a slacker is being minimalist.
I want:
* Kernel source, definitelly
* Aterm
* Fluxbox and XFCE4, put GNOME and KDE in the extra.
* Galeon + Mozilla, put Netscape in the extra.
* Bluefish instead of quanta.
* OpenOffice. This is not minimal, but we really need it, don't we ?.

I'm still looking for IDE.
Ajunta is good, but KDevelopt more complete.

CodeWarrior 08-23-2003 10:10 AM

I love slackware but...

I am not sure if this is historical or what, but some intuitive file and directory naming would help... EX: rc.d:confused:

THis is probably used in other distributions of Linux too, so maybe it is a comment on all distros of Linux in general.

otbibb 08-23-2003 10:34 AM

I guess I don't really get this thing about the kernel source on the CD. First of all, the instructions for making your own CD are right there, and are very easy to follow. I usually open that text file and make my desired changes, and then copy/paste the whole thing into an xterm... works like a champ. You can easily exclude stuff you don't want (KDEi, to name a good example) and include the source code.

Newbies, of course, can't be expected to do this, but they also don't need the kernel source on their installation CD. It's incredibly easy to grab the kernel source from a Slack ftp site, along with Pat's minimal patching instructions. Much easier, in fact, than actually compiling the darn thing.

If you're the kind of guy who immediately recomiles the kernel after the install, you really should be making your own ISO from Slack -current. That's my opinion, anyway.

That said, I agree that if I were going to make a default ISO, I would include the source and leave off KDEi and some other stuff. But I'd probably do a bunch of other weird stuff that most folks wouldn't cotton to...

lupus1010 08-23-2003 01:23 PM

A man can dream ? no? :)
My wish list :p

- add swaret
- remove netscape
- add kernel-sources
- add kernel-2.6-test? as optional
- add gnucash (MS money replacement)
- evolution & mono
- add a program for tv-in card (watch tv)
- maybe like rh a cd error check option before you install
- add ldap
- add programs that are needed by kernel-2.6* like ACL, alsa-lib etc
- add postfix (mail server)
- add http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ for easy firewall config

and yes I know that I'm dreaming :p

in a extra cd or so :) :
- java VM
- OpenOffice 1.1

I'm verry happy that cups is added

I find slackware small and verry responsive so keep up the good work ;)

Astro 08-26-2003 04:26 PM

THe TV Tuner addon would be nice, I have an ATI card and I don't mind getting the xawtv, but it would be easier if it was already installed. There are however way to many people without a TV tuner card to warrent putting it in the main distro.

As for the Java VM, there is Java on the extras cd, any time it's asked for a VM I've always had the latest SDK installed and it worked fine. I do a lot of programming with java and I find thats all I ever really need.

slack---line 08-27-2003 07:04 AM

I'd like to see the following included...

- Galeon
- kernel source
- ALSA drivers

and exclude...
-KDE

slack---line 08-27-2003 07:04 AM

Oh yeah, including OpenOffice & j2re would be useful as well

Astro 08-27-2003 11:39 AM

I guess we can't get too awfully picky, I mean this is a minimalistic distro...don't want it looking like redhat or anything hehe that would be ugly, SCO might sue LOL

linuxJaver 08-27-2003 01:03 PM

I think java stuff can be considered heavy duty stuff ..

Microsoft makes for every thing its own proprietary solution (.net), actually not against but ms that hard, but ms goal is well to sadistic (that is to kill the existence of others ..)

Further more java has well etablated in embedded, mobile, portable devices/cards applications. I'd like slackware to be an ideal as development as well as runtime platform for java application ..

Sun has alliance with rh .., think sun should not forget to port their packages also for Slack next time ..

Is that not a good reason for mutualistic reflexive supporting ? In politic arena they look for common enemies to be united, but don't sun n slack have it .. ?

Actually sun java-sdk can also be let out or put in extra CD, but not the support. The bin-package in java.sun.com-download-site works well on slack ..

The support I meant is actually like to put all the needed libs for sun-thirdParty-colaborated-packages that only available in RPM-format like SunOneStudio, applicationServer/weblogic, ...

Just do a rpm2tgz on those will create tgz-packages but maybe without the install-scripts like those original slack-tgz-packages. That kind of script is also actually simple script e.g. for moving the extracted files somewhere on filessystem n maybe creating some symbolic links, that the easy stuff.

That can be managed by putting an whitePaper on the slackware-site .. The runtime probing experiment is actually wut I meant with the support, bcoz thing may not function caused of lacking of runtime libraries which is available in redhat but not in slackware ..

jlangelier 08-27-2003 01:33 PM

A package for Gnucash.

I looked into installing it in slack, and it looks to be a nightmare with a need to install packages from Slack 8. It's such an ordeal there's even a mailing list dedicated to installing and running Gnucash under Slackware.

Zb7 08-27-2003 05:05 PM

Scrap Mozilla, and some of the other waste. OO.org is pretty big but if they could fit it, that'd be nice. I'd say since Slack is a champion of simplicity scrap GNOME and KDE (keep qt and gtk of course), and replace it with Fluxbox :).

Also, some preset installations might be nice. Just to save time. Along with the "full" there'd be a "minimal" where it'd be nothing but everything you needed and maybe X. And definitely kernel source :)

Kocil 08-27-2003 05:45 PM

Scrap KDE and GNOME please.

Change it with XFCE4 and FluxBox.

(try the new XFCE4, you will be pleased).


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