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Old 07-30-2006, 10:22 AM   #1
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slackware on seagate sata2 hdd?

hi all,

i just lost my WD few hours ago and thought of getting a new hard drive. since the price of IDE and SATA are quite close, i think im going for a SATA2 hard drive. As for time being, my choice is to get the Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA (ST380811AS)hdd. Im not sure whether it's fully supported on slackware or at least in linux? thanks for your time!
 
Old 07-30-2006, 11:35 AM   #2
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What matters is not the distribution, but support in the kernel. It's your motherboard's chipset that is concerned.

Read Jeff Garzik's Serial ATA (SATA) Linux hardware/driver status report for the latest and greatest.

You might also want to check Linux mafia.

Simple fact is, SATA in Linux doesn't compare to Windoze support yet.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 12:08 PM   #3
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my motherboard is running on VIA VT8237 chipset.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 06:46 PM   #4
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I think that is your Southbridge chip (PCI bridge). What is your SATA controller?

Probably something like this, eh?
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ /sbin/lspci
00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
You might want to post the entire output of "/sbin/lspci" ...
 
Old 07-31-2006, 12:06 AM   #5
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alright..here comes the lspci output


slax ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro] (rev a3)

i think you were right. it is vt6420 sata controller. so do you think it is supported?
 
Old 07-31-2006, 12:52 AM   #6
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I've got slackware-current running on a Seagate 7200.10 with no problems, and a Via KT600 chipset. I'm not at the machine right now, but if you like I can see if it's got the same SATA controller.

To install I used the scsi.i kernel.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 02:00 AM   #7
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Just checked, it's the same controller.

FWIW I was using a 200GB WD and so far the Seagate is noticeably faster. hdparm reports 74.47 MB/s vs 54.63 MB/s.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 03:20 AM   #8
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im still running on slackware 10.2 and i learned that test26.s kernel is able to support SATA hdd. not sure which chipset are supported though.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 03:29 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ciotog
Just checked, it's the same controller.

FWIW I was using a 200GB WD and so far the Seagate is noticeably faster. hdparm reports 74.47 MB/s vs 54.63 MB/s.
btw, do you mean seagate runs at 74.47 MB/s compared to WD's 54.63 MB/s ?? And that WD is also SATA??
 
Old 07-31-2006, 03:31 AM   #10
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What motherboard do you guys have? Here's some of my specs:
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ less hwinfo.log
<snip>
18: PCI 0f.0: 0104 RAID bus controller
  [Created at pci.273]
  Unique ID: _+Pw.AqAlZIPn4NA
  SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.0
  SysFS BusID: 0000:00:0f.0
  Hardware Class: storage
  Model: "ASUSTeK K8V-X motherboard"
  Vendor: pci 0x1106 "VIA Technologies, Inc."
  Device: pci 0x3149 "VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller"
  SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
  SubDevice: pci 0x80ed "K8V-X motherboard"
  Revision: 0x80
  Driver: "sata_via"
  I/O Ports: 0xe400-0xe407 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xe000-0xe003 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd800-0xd807 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd400-0xd403 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd000-0xd00f (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xc800-0xc8ff (rw)
  IRQ: 16 (150747 events)
  Driver Info #0:
    Driver Status: sata_via is active
    Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe sata_via"
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
<snip>

root@silas:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 03)
00:0e.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

root@silas:~# hdparm -tT /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   1884 MB in  2.00 seconds = 941.95 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  206 MB in  3.02 seconds =  68.17 MB/sec
That drive is a Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM,
8MB cache, SATA 150. My Seagate SATA 150 drives never got out
of the 5x.xx MB/sec range, with this board and others. All have
VIA chipsets.

As you can see I use the sata_via driver; and when I install I
use the sata.i kernel. Don't know what the difference between
that kernel and the scsi.i kernel might be, but I'm running a
custom kernel now anyway:
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ uname -a
Linux silas 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Sat Jul 8 08:04:29 CST 2006 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux
Last edited by Bruce Hill; 07-31-2006 at 03:43 AM.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 04:03 AM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ciotog
Just checked, it's the same controller.

FWIW I was using a 200GB WD and so far the Seagate is noticeably faster. hdparm reports 74.47 MB/s vs 54.63 MB/s.
My post has NOTHING to do with the original post,
but I thought I throw in a figure :}

Bought a 9 year old server with 5 9GB SCSI-II disks in a RAID-5 :}
for ~ 30US$
Code:
/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   164 MB in  2.03 seconds =  80.91 MB/sec


Cheers,
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Old 07-31-2006, 04:18 AM   #12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaman
What motherboard do you guys have? Here's some of my specs:
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ less hwinfo.log
<snip>
18: PCI 0f.0: 0104 RAID bus controller
  [Created at pci.273]
  Unique ID: _+Pw.AqAlZIPn4NA
  SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0f.0
  SysFS BusID: 0000:00:0f.0
  Hardware Class: storage
  Model: "ASUSTeK K8V-X motherboard"
  Vendor: pci 0x1106 "VIA Technologies, Inc."
  Device: pci 0x3149 "VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller"
  SubVendor: pci 0x1043 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
  SubDevice: pci 0x80ed "K8V-X motherboard"
  Revision: 0x80
  Driver: "sata_via"
  I/O Ports: 0xe400-0xe407 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xe000-0xe003 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd800-0xd807 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd400-0xd403 (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xd000-0xd00f (rw)
  I/O Ports: 0xc800-0xc8ff (rw)
  IRQ: 16 (150747 events)
  Driver Info #0:
    Driver Status: sata_via is active
    Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe sata_via"
  Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
<snip>

root@silas:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 03)
00:0e.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

root@silas:~# hdparm -tT /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   1884 MB in  2.00 seconds = 941.95 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  206 MB in  3.02 seconds =  68.17 MB/sec
That drive is a Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM,
8MB cache, SATA 150. My Seagate SATA 150 drives never got out
of the 5x.xx MB/sec range, with this board and others. All have
VIA chipsets.

As you can see I use the sata_via driver; and when I install I
use the sata.i kernel. Don't know what the difference between
that kernel and the scsi.i kernel might be, but I'm running a
custom kernel now anyway:
Code:
mingdao@silas:~$ uname -a
Linux silas 2.6.17.4 #2 PREEMPT Sat Jul 8 08:04:29 CST 2006 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux
im currently using ECS K8M800-M2 motherboard.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 05:55 AM   #13
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You should look up your board -- Google is your friend:
According to the ECS website, your board is only capable of
150MB/s data transfer rate. But that drive will work on it.

The Barracuda 7200.9 is configured as a SATA 1.5Gb/s interface
but can be easily configured to SATA 3Gb/s by removing a single
jumper on the drive. No need with your mobo -- it won't matter.

Install Slackware-10.2 (or wait a couple weeks on 11.0) with the
sata.i kernel, which will load the sata_via chipset for you. Unless
ciotog can explain why one would use the scsi.i kernel. I'm ready
to learn.

By the way, the 2.4.31 kernel supports your sata chipset, also.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 06:09 AM   #14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinaman
You should look up your board -- Google is your friend:

According to the ECS website, your board is only capable of
150MB/s data transfer rate. But that drive will work on it.

The Barracuda 7200.9 is configured as a SATA 1.5Gb/s interface
but can be easily configured to SATA 3Gb/s by removing a single
jumper on the drive. No need with your mobo -- it won't matter.

Install Slackware-10.2 (or wait a couple weeks on 11.0) with the
sata.i kernel, which will load the sata_via chipset for you. Unless
ciotog can explain why one would use the scsi.i kernel. I'm ready
to learn.

By the way, the 2.4.31 kernel supports your sata chipset, also.
thanks. im not worry about the data transfer rate. as long as it works fine and not slower than my previous IDE hdd.

I will only upgrade to a better motherboard in the future. Currently, i have Slack 10.2 on my hand.

hmm..it is great to know that 2.4.31 kernel supports sata as well! thanks a lot!
 
Old 07-31-2006, 06:29 AM   #15
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If you want some of the more up-to-date software, look
towards Slackware-11.0. Whether you wait until it's
released pretty soon, or upgrade later. Since you're
installing a new hard drive, make a separate partition
for /home so that you can just reinstall without formatting
/home when Slackware-11.0 comes out -- if you choose to
install Slackware-10.2 on it now.
 
  


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