If Linux was "union", he would have been alone (as unity). In fact, this is not so.
If Linux was "Buran", he would have бен discarded all non-Linux. In fact, this is not so.

...And "Buran" or "Union" is not as "Libre" or "Libertaro".

My friends-bears (1), (2)) are not involved here. :-D :-D :-D They are still asleep. Irbises (Panthera Uncia) not sleep. :-)

P.S. Good word is "Рать" (IPA: "ratĭ"). Not only as "Army", as... as... "People's Militia" (inaccurate translation). But in the English-speaking community, it can be misunderstood. (As "Rat"). :-( This is visual problem.

https://static1.e621.net/data/a3/89/...9d4d09b493.jpg (Narodnoe Opolchenie as comics :-D )

Good opinion, good arguments. +1. :-)

2 Freenix maintainers: Do you use configs files for linux kernel from Slackware or is it your own? (I did not analyze this)

A google search (at least with my personalized search since I'm signed in) of Cuba Libre is not dominated by the Cuba Libre movement. It has the Cube Libre restaurant (within the US) and the Cuba Libre drink (rum and coke).

However, just because Cuba Libre doesn't dominate my search results has nothing to do with the use of Libre in software. The majority of my post was to cover that they are not related.

After seeing your links, I did a little more research into Cuba Libre. It seems Cuba Libre may not be the best use of tying Libre into meaning anti-American (maybe the Venezuela Libre or Guatemala Libre movements are against America, but read on for Cuba Libre). Cuba Libre was actually a movement in the late 1800s against Spanish rule. Spanish colonial forces were responsible for the starvation and and suffering of Cuban colonists. American newspapers reported this and Americans showed their support for Cubans with rallies and donation drives for Cuba under the Cuba Libre (A Free Cuba) name... freedom from Spain, not from America. Eventually the Spanish-American War broke out. Cuba was fighting alongside the Americans against Spain. (Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanis...93American_War and https://www.shmoop.com/spanish-american-war/terms.html)

The result of that war resulted in the Treaty of Paris, which granted Cuba its independence from Spain and ceded Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines to the US.

Also, in regard to the links you provided... In the first article, you should've continued reading that first paragraph. It says they are chanting Cuba Libre, but not to free them from America, but "Cubans [are] rejoicing over the possibility of their country becoming free from a communist dictatorship".

With the second link, I can't say much about the book since I haven't read it, but the third link brings you to an article you have to pay to view, so your links definitely didn't help your position of tying Cuba Libre to being anti-American.

But hey, thanks for getting me to relearn about the Spanish-American War and how the US and Cuba used to be on great terms. It'd probably been 15 or 20 years since I last learned about that and I had long since forgotten about it :)

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But this is all pointless anyway... the use of Libre in these national issues is unrelated to the use of libre in relation to free software. We don't need to be going into unrelated history lessons just because someone decided to make a Libre version of Slackware. That is a term used to describe free and open source software. In fact, it was adopted by the European Commission:

Within software, we have gratis and libre as two methods to define "free". Now we just need terms to describe the differences of spicy hot and temperature hot ;)

configs
 

We use Pat's configs.

Enjoyed this little debate; getting updates on the human society mind.

Not that they need my support, but launfal and randicus moved me.

We will all know what we did right or wrong, with our stance, when hopefully it's not too late.

Ru: Я, конечно, могу ошибаться, но это плохая идея для ваших задач. :-)
Конкретно, в секции девайсов есть много расхождений с теми конфигами, которые рекомендованы сообществом Libre. Хотя я допускаю, что их конфиги вообще кривые. :-D Как рога у антилопы. :-D Я их видел и они мне не понравились. :-D

В общем, я думаю будет очень хорошей идеей уточнить все ньюансы по девайсам. В противном случае, что у вас, что у меня (в версии linux-libre-kernel) могут быть заявлена поддержка устройств, которым в реальности для работы требуются блобы.

En: Of course, I can be wrong, but this is a bad idea for your tasks. :-)

Specifically, in the device section there are many differences with those configs that are recommended by the Libre community. Although I assume that their configs are generally curved. :-D Like antlers of antelope :-D I saw them and they did not like for me.

In general, I think it will be a very good idea to clarify all the nuances for devices. Otherwise, what do for you, what do for me (in the linux-libre-kernel version) can be declared support for devices that in reality require blobs for work. And its is very bad.

P.S.
Ru: У вас есть человек, который может провести качественный аудит конфигов на предмет предоставления заведомо нерабочих драйверов?
En: Do you have a person who can perform a quality audit of kernel-configs for the search of unworked drivers?

kernel config diffs
 

We don't have a resident config guru, but even if we did, we would not poke there without a dire need. One of the goals of the Freenix project is to avoid making technical decisions beyond those needed to purge all malware of a specific kind. As a result, when our kernel behaves differently from the Slackware kernel, we can be reasonably sure it is due to the blobs. And if the blobs are NOT a problem, then the Slackware kernel has the same bug, and our users can use this forum and this community to their advantage, as well as contribute reports and fixes upstream.

P.S. Please consider once again making these kinds of suggestions in the Freenix forum. Even if the project keeps using the upstream configs, our users may be interested in seeing references to libre-inspired configs as well.

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@qweasd

Beyond that ridiculous, good for nothing and convenience costing thing which you guys name kernel "de-blobling", you are kind to explain what "malware" you remove from Slackware?

I ask that because I take the title of this thread as personal insult. Because you suggest that Slackware is proprietary software, and you give the free variant.

Because I really believe that Slackware and its kernels are free software, and at least in the European Union understanding, they are "libre software" already.

More specifically, Slackware is:
- freely distributed.
- freely sources available under MIT license, I talk about its SlackBuilds, useful as they are.
- excluding that poor Tyrex named XV or something, which is an open-source shareware, everything else included is GPL, BSD or MIT licensed
- the FIRMWARE may be questionable for talibans, but trust me, no one runs in the main CPU, and the really nasty things like management engines are not loaded via microcode. And those several packages can be removed very simple via removepkg.

Also, the Kernels are
- licensed under GPL2, our brave Linux Torvalds explained that GPL3 is rather radical bullshit, and he will stay in v2, but still.
- Linux Torvalds insists on everything included in kernel to be open-source and non-proprietary code.
- The entire Kernel source code was triple checked in the past against proprietary code, specially when the SCO scandal happened.

Then, when you say you remove "malware" from Slackware, you literally insult my intelligence. That's utterly bullshit, because does not exists malware in Slackware.

Please, trust me! I am not stupid, and I do not bite in shiny words, after 25 years of dealing in real life with the speeches of real communists, not imaginary ones.

So, explain me, who's working with Slackware every day, since 20 years ago, WHAT MALWARE CONTAINS SLACKWARE?

PS. For those who do not known already, XV is the single proprietary software (which runs in your very CPU) shipped by Slackware: https://mirrors.slackware.com/slackw...source/xap/xv/

Why Patrick Volkerding insists to ship this antique image editor, gods know...

It's pretty easy to see if you go to their website.

Now, whether you consider any of those pieces of software malware is a personal decision (I don't, but I also am happily running Google Chrome right now, so I may not be the best to talk about it). But anything without source could potentially be malware (like the MEs you love to always bring up)... since we have no way to see what's going on, it could very well be malware. Many like to assume the worst and take whatever precautions available. The other pieces of software, even though source code is available, have restrictions in place (like not being able to use it in a commercial setting) preventing them from being labeled FOSS by the FSF.

This can be a translation error. Or... This is really interest question. :-)

IMHO, "mailware" - is all software without source code. :-)


This is basic of principe for EVERYONE. Not only for GNU. :-D :-D :-D

And yes, this was used the real, fucked-in-head, ultra-red commies. :-D :-D :-D And not only. Really. This is the moment when do not need to mix all into one heap. :-)

2qweasd only: квео?

Jeremy, I would love IF the management engines will be at my hand as firmware files! BUT, they aren't! They run from the moment you light on the computer!

And let's scare the kids:

Dear scared bunnies, did you know that in your computers lives at least one another complete computer, with performance superior of a management engine from your northbridge? :D

I talk about your hard drives. For the modern ones, their hardware is something like a dual core MIPS at 400MHz, with 64MB of dedicated RAM, if not more. And who can guarantee that your 500GB harddrive capacity is not in fact of 600GB?

Also, a PATA or SATA hard drive can call and communicate any device connected to DMA. Including your Ethernet card. Yeah, it can call home or NSA, for real. ;)

The fun part is for the flash hard drives connected directly to PCI-Express. These ones can command ANY device from your computer, and to do what it wants, including doing coins mining in your videocard.

So, how about to "de-blob" your computer with a hammer? Just saying. ;)

IF by EVERYONE you understand "the real, fucked-in-head, ultra-red commies", the talibans or FSF. ;)