[SOLVED] Slackware: Is systemd inevitable?

brianL · 05-14-2013, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

Runlevel 42
I'm sure Patrick Volkerding will make all this fit nicely into Slackware.

Level 42?. No, I'm sure Pat thinks this is more fitting. As far as I'm concerned, systemd makes me feel this.

Alien Bob · 05-14-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

Gnome has already pulled out any support for systemd

I think you are mistaken there. They are in the process of adopting systemd.

http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sour...on-3.7.90.news : "Add preliminary patch toward systemd-ification"
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sour...ion-3.8.1.news : "Check for logind, not systemd"

Eric

JWJones · 05-14-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

I think you are mistaken there. They are in the process of adopting systemd.

http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sour...on-3.7.90.news : "Add preliminary patch toward systemd-ification"
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sour...ion-3.8.1.news : "Check for logind, not systemd"

Yeah, that was my understanding, that Gnome was going to be systemd dependent, which would therefore effectively make Gnome Linux-only, as it's unlikely that the BSDs will incorporate systemd.

jens · 05-14-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JWJones

Yeah, that was my understanding, that Gnome was going to be systemd dependent, which would therefore effectively make Gnome Linux-only, as it's unlikely that the BSDs will incorporate systemd.

Only the session manager (GDM), not full GNOME.

fewt · 05-14-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jens

Only the the session manager (GDM).

To clarify that, systemd-logind provides all session management features to GDM from the time you enter your username and authenticate), until you shutdown.

Without it you won't be authorized to do things such as shutdown the computer. ConsoleKit used to provide this service until systemd-logind deprecated it.

Erik_FL · 05-14-2013, 02:10 PM

“Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.”

― Napoleon Bonaparte

jtsn · 05-14-2013, 02:26 PM

I couldn't care less about GNOME. As the mainstream desktop distribution dropped it, GNOME is a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by JWJones

Yeah, that was my understanding, that Gnome was going to be systemd dependent, which would therefore effectively make Gnome Linux-only, as it's unlikely that the BSDs will incorporate systemd.

It will not become Linux-only, it will become GnomeOS-only. The developers already said, that GNOME will become an OS distribution itself and won't be compatible with anything.

Martinus2u · 05-14-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Cranium

"corporatocracy"

Heaven forbid that you'd use words that actually exist.

look it up in wikipedia. there's an article about it.

NB, the term first came into my vocabulary (not being a native English speaker) through the classic 1976 film "Network", which was a contender for the Oscar and which has an imdb rating of 8.1.

Edit: to quench any speculations, i watched it much later than 1976

edorig · 05-14-2013, 02:39 PM

It is not just GNOME that is becoming systemd dependent.
From http://mate-desktop.org/

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Main changes in 1.6 are:

Systemd-logind support:
Added support for systemd-logind in mate-session-manager, mate-screensaver and mate-power-manager (now you can reboot/shutdown without ConsoleKit)

Hopefully, it is just an option for compilation.

chess · 05-14-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by edorig

It is not just GNOME that is becoming systemd dependent.
From http://mate-desktop.org/

Hopefully, it is just an option for compilation.

Yes, it's not required for the MATE SlackBuild project which builds MATE 1.6 on Slackware. IIRC, one of the upstream developers said they do not intend to make systemd a requirement for MATE.

Edit: just confirmed with Stefano Karapetsas, one of MATE's primary developers in IRC. His response to my query: "systemd is and will be optional."

JWJones · 05-14-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jtsn

I couldn't care less about GNOME. As the mainstream desktop distribution dropped it, GNOME is a thing of the past.

Yeah, I liked Gnome 2 just fine, but since Gnome 3 debuted, it has been dead to me.

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It will not become Linux-only, it will become GnomeOS-only. The developers already said, that GNOME will become an OS distribution itself and won't be compatible with anything.

Eeeeewwwww!

jtsn · 05-14-2013, 06:00 PM

Just for the laughs:

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It's been called for this week from GUADEC that GNOME 4.0 to be released in March of 2014 along with GNOME OS. That's not all of their ambitious plans but they think they can gain a 20% market-share by 2020 and they also have some other plans on their agenda.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTE0ODg

Personally I think in 2020 almost no-one will even remember GNOME. Just ask regular people about CDE...

kikinovak · 05-14-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jtsn

Just for the laughs:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTE0ODg

Personally I think in 2020 almost no-one will even remember GNOME. Just ask regular people about CDE...

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544

GNOME devs doing their best kicking random butts who haven't already jumped ship.

fewt · 05-14-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544

GNOME devs doing their best kicking random butts who haven't already jumped ship.

I was one of the ones banned by the GNOME drama lamas yesterday.

rkelsen · 05-14-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kikinovak

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544

GNOME devs doing their best kicking random butts who haven't already jumped ship.

Wow. Things are pretty bad over there. It just goes to prove that PV made the right decision all those years ago. Although I didn't like it initially, KDE4 has certainly come a long way and has reached the stage where it is working pretty well for me. I couldn't imagine losing basic functionality as discussed in that bugzilla thread. The worst part seems to be the attitude of the developers.

I think jtsn is right. If they keep going the way they are, they're destined to lose most of their market share. Especially now that we're seeing projects like XFCE maturing nicely.