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Old 07-19-2014, 06:48 PM   #16
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Your slice housing your home is not full or close to it is it?
 
Old 07-19-2014, 08:55 PM   #17
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("Slice" is BSD for "partition.")

You can run the df command to determine how much space is left on a partition.

The first thing to do is find out where the problem resides. There is nothing to be gained in randomly shooting at the wrong trouble.

Create a new user. Log in as new user. If everything works, then that narrows the suspect list to possible corrupted files in your home directory. This would likely be one or more of the hidden configuration files and folders (file/directory name preceded by a dot).

If you have the same problem with new user, then there is some larger issue. If not, try following rvdboom's advice and let us know what happens.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 11:12 PM   #18
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Tried running fsck- nothing happens. (Got the same results when I tried it in Crunchbang- I guess I need to Google and figure out what I'm doing wrong- I've used fsck in the past, via the AntiX live CD, and it worked....)

This may be the problem: There is no .XFCE file in my home folder. Where did it go, and why???

@Frank_Bell: I like that! To use the analogy of repairing vehicles: I'm not one to just throw parts at a problem. I want to find out what went wrong; why it went wrong; and really fix it, rather than just find a work-around, or take guesses and wait for it to happen again. As I mentioned earlier, if I log into my root account, everything works normally for that accont.

@Maciuszek: Haha! No....I NEVER use hibernate or do anything funny. I'm a very conservative user- I rarely even multitask- and when I do, it's only with lightweight stuff.

I'm thinking that FahrFox (Firefox) caused the initial freeze-up (Damn internet browsers seem to always be problematic!)- after it froze, hitting a few keys to try and close things, maybe I accidentally hit a wrong combination, which prompted the screen lock, somehow. Why that would make the .XFCE file disappear, is another question.......
 
Old 07-19-2014, 11:36 PM   #19
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(((Hmmm...this might just be a good excuse to finally install my beloved Openbox.... But I still want to try and find out what the problem with XFCE is!)))
 
Old 07-19-2014, 11:49 PM   #20
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This may be the problem: There is no .XFCE file in my home folder. Where did it go, and why???
Dat's not it..... No .XFCE file in root home folder either, and that woiks just fine..... (So where are the xfce settings kept?)
 
Old 07-20-2014, 12:34 AM   #21
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~/.config/xfce4
 
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:22 AM   #22
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Sounds like xfdesktop is not running - try pressing Alt-F2 and typing in "xfdesktop &" there and see if that helps.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 02:27 AM   #23
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A lost file could indicate several problems, some hardware and software.

1. Bit rot. Over time some file systems lose integrity, even if online for extended periods of time. Journaling file systems were supposed to solve this, but often if the journal doesn't write back properly to the metadata, a file can get corrupted. Corrupted files often malfunction or worse, get deleted. Even ZFS and NTFS which are some of the widest used server and workstation file systems still suffer bit rot in low amounts, but ZFS uses several abilities to minimize damage and recover data, and NTFS has shadowing abilities to make multiple write back journals and duplicates of metadata.

2. Bad sectors on the physical medium. Drives don't last forever. Over time with excessive writes and periods of disk thrashing, the sectors of the platters wear down and the read-write heads can't place the I/O bit as a 1 or 0 properly. Some drives auto-correct by moving files for you as drives wear down with things like S.M.A.R.T. and such, but often this can be dependent on both hardware and software.

3. File System breakdown. This isn't easy to determine, but I have seen a bad kernel driver tear a file system apart by using improper data handlers and tree structuring. As stable as Ext4 is, a few bad kernels once threatened it, and several security notices were announced. If ReiserFS (ver. 3) hasn't been properly maintained in the codebase, and thorough debugging hasn't been done, it could be suffering a code bug and that could mean the file system isn't stable and could be prone to breakdown. If anything, you'd be wise to discontinue use, backup your data ASAP, and reformat to another properly maintained and stable file system, and rebuild the file tables with Ext4 and JFS. Those are your best choices.

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Old 07-20-2014, 08:36 AM   #24
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Sounds like xfdesktop is not running - try pressing Alt-F2 and typing in "xfdesktop &" there and see if that helps.
DING-DING-DING-DING!!!!!!!

That did it!

(((Where else but in the Linux community could you have R. Workman; Eric Haameers[sp?]; and Pat Volkerrding himself personally help out hapless users of the product that they give away for free???!!!!)))

So, for my edification: What could have caused the desktop to stop running?

Thank you, very very much!!!

And a big thanks to everyone else who responded!
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:51 AM   #25
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A lost file could indicate several problems, some hardware and software.

1. Bit rot. Over time some file systems lose integrity, even if online for extended periods of time. Journaling file systems were supposed to solve this, but often if the journal doesn't write back properly to the metadata, a file can get corrupted. Corrupted files often malfunction or worse, get deleted. Even ZFS and NTFS which are some of the widest used server and workstation file systems still suffer bit rot in low amounts, but ZFS uses several abilities to minimize damage and recover data, and NTFS has shadowing abilities to make multiple write back journals and duplicates of metadata.

2. Bad sectors on the physical medium. Drives don't last forever. Over time with excessive writes and periods of disk thrashing, the sectors of the platters wear down and the read-write heads can't place the I/O bit as a 1 or 0 properly. Some drives auto-correct by moving files for you as drives wear down with things like S.M.A.R.T. and such, but often this can be dependent on both hardware and software.

3. File System breakdown. This isn't easy to determine, but I have seen a bad kernel driver tear a file system apart by using improper data handlers and tree structuring. As stable as Ext4 is, a few bad kernels once threatened it, and several security notices were announced. If ReiserFS (ver. 3) hasn't been properly maintained in the codebase, and thorough debugging hasn't been done, it could be suffering a code bug and that could mean the file system isn't stable and could be prone to breakdown. If anything, you'd be wise to discontinue use, backup your data ASAP, and reformat to another properly maintained and stable file system, and rebuild the file tables with Ext4 and JFS. Those are your best choices.
Thanks for the info. Seems to be the consensus here that JFS is better/more stable than Reiser....I guess I'll go back to JFS in the future- I've never had a problem with it. (Although, come to think of it, I've never had a problem with Reiser either...but I guess if it's no longer maintained, that could be a potential problem....)
 
Old 07-20-2014, 09:21 AM   #26
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Seems I posted here last night ;P wish memory served better ha.
Hmmmm....maybe next time I have a problem, I should get blotto, so "great minds can think alike"
 
Old 07-20-2014, 04:50 PM   #27
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I actually use a JFS partition now for Linux strictly. Until we can get ZFS somehow, it's JFS or nothing.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 05:24 PM   #28
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DING-DING-DING-DING!!!!!!!

That did it!
Yay :-)

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(((Where else but in the Linux community could you have R. Workman; Eric Hameleers[sp?]; and Pat Volkerding himself personally help out hapless users of the product that they give away for free???!!!!)))
I don't know, but I fixed the spellings for you :-)

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So, for my edification: What could have caused the desktop to stop running?
Good question. It probably crashed, but for what reason, I have no idea.

-RW
 
Old 07-21-2014, 12:59 PM   #29
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I actually use a JFS partition now for Linux strictly. Until we can get ZFS somehow, it's JFS or nothing.
Surely you mean XFS. Why would you prefer barely mantained JFS over constantly improving XFS?

Agree that ZFS tops them all tho.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:43 PM   #30
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Why would you prefer barely mantained JFS over constantly improving XFS?
Maybe he's like me, and likes things that are tried-and-true/mature (and therefore need little maintenance) as opposed to things which are evolving.....
 
  


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