Hi,

I still stand with the Walther PPK/S stainless 9mm as a good handgun choice for Slackware.

Long gun would be a Mossberg 380 semi-auto .22 varmint gun! Cheap ammo and very versatile to shoot those varmints.

As to the comments about gun rights differences between countries/societies, just comparing apples and oranges. As a citizen of the USA, my constitutional rights to guns are just that 'my rights'. For European members, your right to not have the means to protect yourself! Leave it to big brother. Oh, you already have gone that route and look what happened. So do not call me a cowboy, even though I do ride horses and happen to possess weapons. I am a responsible gun owner. But I do protect myself and loved ones along with protection of my property.

Inner city problems with gangs having weapons and most citizens do not then there are problems. In Illinois we do not have a conceal carry law (49 states do). Primarily due to the Chicago Democratic machine and their myopic sense. One of the leading cities with a high murder rate. It is not the guns that are killing people but the users that are unlawfully using the weapon. Illinois is the last state to not have a conceal carry law. Do you think the thugs would think twice when pointing a gun or attempting to use a gun to rob someone if the thought or possibility of someone having a gun will shoot back?
The allowance throughout to conceal carry has lowered crime rates in the states that implement the law.

What about Norway's' Gun Laws? You think a person carrying a concealed gun could have stopped the massacre by Anders Breivik, a lone gunman, launched his assault?

It would have been settled in a matter of minutes by a responsible gun owner in a state like Texas. Or any state where concealed-carry laws are on the books! SO do not compare our USA gun rights with European anti-self-defense nuts that have removed control from their citizens for self-defense.

Europe does have an issue with criminals that do have guns. What is the ratio between officers to citizen? One on every corner? Oh, that is part of the problem in Greece, no money. So European self defense is moot and USA gun rights make us all irresponsible as compared to the European model. BS!

I am glad to have been born in the USA! All of my Grandparents are immigrants to the USA. Each left their homeland because of problems in each country, while some were willing to succumb to the government/military. Join the crowd or be passive. Thankfully all of my grandparents could see the writing on the wall and made a decision to come to the USA for freedom thus not subservient to the zealots.

People here in the USA do have the choice to own a gun or not. Do you?

Do you mean like someone stopped the Columbine killers, to name but one example of mass shootings in your Land Of The Free?

I love Republicans: "Guns don't kill people. People kill people. But it's the condoms and the pill that impregnate unmarried girls."

To onebuck:

In France and other European countries it is forbidden to carry a gun unless this be allowed to you (and you should have good reasons to get a license).

And the criminality level is far less that in the USA, especially homicides.

Oh, and I don't like the idea of somebody be authorized of killing me with a gun as a "self defense" measure only because the color of my skin frighten him...

So, I carry no gun and feel a lot safer in France that in the USA.

Has there been a single case that has actually worked out that way?

It looks to me as if most cases don't, not because the bystanders aren't armed, but because the criminal has the element of surprise and time to plan.

Ahh!!! Silly season has arrived again. Has anyone else noticed that the number of off-topic threads goes up when we are nearing another release. I did however try a divination today when I butchered a sheep however the results were inconclusive as the entrails were missing. So I don't know if "We're there yet!"

samac

Excuse me, but what happened?

May be. Do you think that Travon Martin would still be alive if it would not be allowed for any wannabe police officer to carry a gun around? Or that it would be much more difficult for kids to do something like the Columbine school shooting, if guns were not easily available?

Seems to be different to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Source, please.

So basically you are saying: Give weapons to every inhabitant of this planet, it will make the world more secure. Sorry, but that is really ridiculous.

No, I don't have a choive. I don't want to have the choice, either. If I have the choice to wear a gun then any one else has the choice, regardless if the person is responsible or not.

Oh, a side note: Not any one that owns a gun is able to handle it in the right way. Police officers are trained how to handle guns, how to react in crime situations, ... . Civilians are not. So don't come with: "We do it ourselves, we don't need the police." If the police in your country is not able to handle the situation, than you should cure the cause, not fight the symptoms.

ROFL... "we are disarmed and we like it that way".. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense to me.

School shootings in USA are not stopped because.... drum roll... people can't carry guns into schools here. It's why they aren't stopped.

Think about it for a minute... someone comes into a place to do someone harm. People are armed. Criminal is shot. Likely doesn't even make the news. Now, someone come into a place to do harm where THEY KNOW there are no guns, like say a school... massacre and international news coverage.

I'm happy a lot of people don't want to have the choice to defend themselves.. just don't expect a lot of Americans to make wish for a "lack of choice".

Hi,


Getting a bit personal and narcissistic aren't you!

You may, (or may not) be interested to know that the highest penetration of firearms per capita is in Switzerland. Part of Europe, yet thay are much more responsible with the way they are used.

I'm happy for you


Yes we do, just need to be blessed with a higher IQ than some other people before being issued with a licence.

Here in Switzerland, every male has to go to army, from 19 years age till around 33, this in different phases. During this time he has the gun (SIG 550) which is an automatic precision rifle (error 5cm @ 300m distance) at home and is responsible for it.
But this is only possible due to responsible people, very seldomly something happens with army guns here. Nobody here thinks that one should have this thing around with him every day and it is not needed at all.

Forgot to say that you can keep the gun after service if you want.

Edit: lol vdemuth

Sorry, but can't help you with that.

Question: Do you think that the number of school shootings would decline if all people in a school would be allowed to carry a gun for self defense? Or would you think the numbers would decline if guns were not be so easily available?

vdemuth

Really? So your crystal ball just told you this could have been prevented.
My crystal ball just argued that these kids all never lived because their parents were shot by "responsible" gun owners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

I'm also happy for you cowboy.

For those who don't understand the second amendment.
The right to carry - well armed militia - the right of the people yadda yadda yadda

It is the right of the people to overthrow a tyrannical government by force if necessary as was the problem in 1770's and it is the right to defend oneself and her possessions from the criminal element.
You do realize the minutes for 911 to respond are the minutes where you and your family will be dead

just my opinion, but I feel very strongly about it.
By the way I am a combat veteran and proud of it!

john

Since several years I am often happy living in an insignificant & small conutry in Europe. No-one carries hier ANY weapon around.

(besides the policeman, but that is also hardly ever used, for what reason..)