Slackware, a legend!
Day off, just took a shower, lots of mindspace!
Not too long ago discussed acquiring a raspberyy pi. With a young casual at work. When I told him I had at one time several raspberry pi's up running Slackwarearm he gave me a double take and said "That's the most difficult linux system there is!". I smiled and told him that I didn't think so..... and that was all I ran on anything..... nothing more. I have been involved in similar exchanges before. As I move on in life I find I am not inclined to defend Slackware or my use thereof. I came out of the shower thinking ... yeah! if Slackware has the reputaion of being sooooo.... hard and.... so difficult, then I'm not using some linux OS, I'm running a "legend" So from now on if anyone asks I'll tell them that I am running a "Legend". If they ask for an explanation (probably will) I will explain... if not... no bother at all. This runs off an exchange several last week ago, with mind mind elsewhere, I replied to an enquirer that I was "one of the few, the proud, the Slackers" Should there be anyone out there who takes offense at that last quote, I'm USMC 1967-70. |
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That fellow had obviously never heard of Arch or Gentoo! But yes, Slack does have the reputation of being an experts' system, probably because of its "no-frills" philosophy.
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I rarely discuss Linux with normal computer users unless they ask me about my black t-shirt. "What's Slackware Linux?"
I'll mumble something about Slackware being a unix-like operating system, and the normal user will give me a glassy-eyed stare. :) |
How did Slackware get such a reputation? Bad memories from the 90's? Propaganda from other distributions? Or are people really that allergic to the command-line?
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The funny (odd) thing is that whether a person is using a GUI, TUI, or command line, much of the interaction with a computer involves reading and typing, even on a smart phone! I spend 99% of my time in a GUI desktop but use TUI and command line applications a good percentage of that time. |
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I believe it's because Slackware does not offer to automatically partition the target drive(s). I was familiar with DOS fdisk, so cfdisk came easily to me. |
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I regularly take a ride on it... Always a good mix with the terminal mood ;). |
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As an example: A while back I made a "minimal" installation of Slackware 14.1 on an Asus EEE PC 2G Surf, which has a 2 GB internal hard disk. Obviously a full installation of Slackware is not feasible in this case. It took a lot of understanding of application dependencies in order to have a functional system while still stripping out as many unneeded packages as possible. It was a very educational and fun process. This system is now being used as a makeshift wireless IDS with GPS tracking. |
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I am just curious, my first and second installations were Slackware 7 and OpenBSD; after that, i tried Debian Testing (Sarge 2000 year because i could not install Potato), but for me it was very simple and clear installers. Why the people say that Slackware is difficult to install, and administer it? Is it a myth?
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Everything is expected to be "easy", so the level of deep knowledge and skill in the general populous decreases. I doubt Slackware was "difficult to install" back in the 90's - I just followed the instructions as you did when I first installed it. It's only by comparison that it's supposedly difficult. |
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Desktop computers did not become popular until the combination of XP and the world wide web. The web did not become popular until the late 1990s. Then along came smart phones. Swipes and taps replaced pointy-clicky. Linux based systems survived this rapid expansion but most users were (and are) inclined toward the old user interface methods of the command line. The majority of people using computers today look at the terminal, are horrified, step back, and mutter something like "WTF." ;) Structurally, Slackware has changed little throughout this period. Possibly then a cause of the alleged reputation. Yet I suspect most people using Slackware would say, "Yup, this is exactly how things should be." :) |
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Additionally, the first personal computer, that i used superficially, was an HP-86 1980-85; i never knew what OS it used! |
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I came to Linux in the late summer of 1996 so my reference begins then. I seem to recall that it was around late '97 through '99 that those who wanted a preloaded Linux distribution, or at least not having to pay the "Microsoft Tax" on a new computer gained traction. Quote:
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XP did have a lot of uptake by new computer users but it was also the next logical upgrade from '95/'98 as the prior versions of the NT series were too much oriented toward business/enterprise. I actually evaluated buying windows '95 or the the new NT 4 in the summer of 1997. I went with '95 and then six months later switched to using Slackware full time in early 1998. Quote:
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I remember running a BBS for my employer with PCBboard on OS/2 in the mid-90s. Actually, I did it for me, but I convinced my employer that I was doing it for them. They had had an old BBS program of some description on DR-DOS that had become hopelessly out-dated; it was used mainly for file transfers from field to HQ. Whatever it was, it was more primitive that Spitfire. I really didn't know much of anything back then, but, oh, my heavens, that was fun! |
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I think the slanderous issues started early on with Slackware. You had to download and create the disk sets. Normal users did not want to do all that work to create their Gnu/Linux. So Slackware got the tag with being difficult to use. Back in '93' it was a must to to create the disk set from downloads and then rawrite to a diskette. I saw some issues from users using cheap media and then blame Slackware for their errors. I remember hearing Slackware does not have management all the time but those people did not realize 'pkgtool' or just ignored it. Plus the use of cli was not clean for the uninformed. You need to use 'man command' and that required the user to read for understanding. Too much of a thought process for some users. Why do you think the turn key Gnu/Linux evolved? Hide and you did not have to look behind the curtain. You became the wizard by just getting a copy and booting the installer. Real Gnu/Linux users question things and dig into the inner workings to allow understanding so customization/diagnosis can be done. Slackware Gnu/Linux meets those needs for people who wish to use their computers instead of point an click Gnu/Linux. This post is not intended to slander lazy Gnu/Linux users but to state that real users will want to know what's under the hood so one can get real work out of their systems. Slackware is the best UNIX-Like Gnu/Linux! Slackware users do acquire working knowledge; Quote:
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Have fun & enjoy! :hattip: |
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