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Old 11-26-2019, 11:40 AM   #46
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For what it's worth, there are ever more "15.0" packages in current dudes!

 
Old 11-26-2019, 02:49 PM   #47
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In the -current logfile I see only four filenames with the "-15.0-" character string in it. Three first appear in 2017/Nov., and the other in 2018/June. As of the end of Nov/25, no new 15.0 filenames have been published.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 03:37 PM   #48
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that last one of Nov/25 fits the bill, soon more might (or not) follow
 
Old 11-26-2019, 03:57 PM   #49
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For what it's worth, there are ever more "15.0" packages in current dudes!

Which new ones do you see then?
In the ChangeLog of Tue Nov 26 20:04:41 UTC 2019 I can find only
pkgtools (currently at build 28)
network-scripts (9)
aaa_elflibs (16)
and etc (10)
and all of them have been there quite some time already.

Both pkgtools and aaa_elflibs had some recent changes, but they are not newly re-versioned as 15.0 (they were upgraded to the 15.0 version with the -1 build):
Code:
Mon Jun 18 06:19:23 UTC 2018
 a/aaa_elflibs-15.0-i586-1.txz:  Upgraded.
Fri Nov 17 00:56:25 UTC 2017
 a/etc-15.0-i586-1.txz:  Upgraded.
 a/pkgtools-15.0-noarch-1.txz:  Upgraded.
 n/network-scripts-15.0-noarch-1.txz:  Upgraded.
(other upgrades on those dates removed).

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Old 11-26-2019, 04:06 PM   #50
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People are just getting excited about the fact that something could be happening with a 15.0 beta soon after all indications are that 5.4.x will be the 15.0 kernel.

When I say "all indications", I mean:

- the kernel rc's were dropped into /testing when the rc's for 4.14 and 4.19 weren't;
- 4.14 and 4.19 were both released into -current main when they hit .0, which is not the case with 5.4.0, which is still in /testing;
- Pat seems to be being awfully cautious with this kernel, especially since he likes "to get everything just exactly perfect";
- it's been a damn long time since 14.2 by everyone's standards.

The only other possibility would be to wait till 5.9 [another year or so from now, and we don't even know if it'll be an LTS], but I think pretty much anyone would agree that that's entirely pointless.

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Old 11-26-2019, 05:08 PM   #51
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Anyone else remember this quote from 2019/Feb?
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The aces are actually crawling up and down my sleeve. But it is very likely that 15.0 will release with an LTS kernel - I'd say 99.9% likely.
 
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Old 11-26-2019, 05:59 PM   #52
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Anyone else remember this quote from 2019/Feb?
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The aces are actually crawling up and down my sleeve. But it is very likely that 15.0 will release with an LTS kernel - I'd say 99.9% likely.
Certainly, and since 5.4 is slated as LTS as soon as the first 5.4 point release comes out, --Current will probably follow suite and officially jump to 5.4.
 
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:15 PM   #53
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Certainly, and since 5.4 is slated as LTS as soon as the first 5.4 point release comes out, --Current will probably follow suite and officially jump to 5.4.
Agreed. I donít know that to be true, but, that looks like a real possibility.
 
Old 11-26-2019, 08:27 PM   #54
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Certainly, and since 5.4 is slated as LTS as soon as the first 5.4 point release comes....
Already done:
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Longterm
There are usually several "longterm maintenance" kernel releases provided for the purposes of backporting bugfixes for older kernel trees. Only important bugfixes are applied to such kernels and they don't usually see very frequent releases, especially for older trees.

Longterm release kernels
Version Maintainer Released Projected EOL
5.4 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2019-11-24 Dec, 2021
4.19 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2018-10-22 Dec, 2020
4.14 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2017-11-12 Jan, 2024
4.9 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2016-12-11 Jan, 2023
4.4 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2016-01-10 Feb, 2022
3.16 Ben Hutchings 2014-08-03 Jun, 2020
https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

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Old 11-27-2019, 04:32 AM   #55
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The aces are actually crawling up and down my sleeve. But it is very likely that 15.0 will release with an LTS kernel - I'd say 99.9% likely.
Our poor BDFL, imagine suffering all the tickling of that crawl , let's hope soon this big (and ours ) wait is over...

(c'mon upstream, our knuckles are paper-withe of fingers crossed for so long...)
 
Old 11-27-2019, 11:21 AM   #56
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Well there is still about 2 years to go before EOL of the 4.4 kernel which is the one that Slack 14.2 uses. So Pat can say that the kernel in the latest Slackware is supported until Feb.2022 and till then he has still time to cook the next version. However 5.4 will only be supported until Dec 2021. So thats sooner 4.4 in Slack 14.2
 
Old 11-27-2019, 11:26 AM   #57
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Well there is still about 2 years to go before EOL of the 4.4 kernel which is the one that Slack 14.2 uses. So Pat can say that the kernel in the latest Slackware is supported until Feb.2022 and till then he has still time to cook the next version. However 5.4 will only be supported until Dec 2021. So thats sooner 4.4 in Slack 14.2
There could be a chance that 5.4 might get an extension though? EOL dates for the kernel aren't always set in stone.
 
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Old 11-27-2019, 11:32 AM   #58
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Well there is still about 2 years to go before EOL of the 4.4 kernel which is the one that Slack 14.2 uses. So Pat can say that the kernel in the latest Slackware is supported until Feb.2022 and till then he has still time to cook the next version. However 5.4 will only be supported until Dec 2021. So thats sooner 4.4 in Slack 14.2
This has been covered quite a few times in the forum, but the extended LTS kernels are a new thing. They didn't exist when 14.2 was released, so Pat expected to have 2 years of support for 4.4. We got lucky and, under pressure from Google (for Android), the kernel devs decided to selectively support certain kernels for 6 years instead of 2. They announced it with 4.4, then released the 4.9 with 2 years of support, which was later extended to 6. Then they released the 4.14 with 2 years of support, which was later extended to 6. The same could happen with the 4.19 and 5.4 kernels.

Pat may have decided to extend this development cycle because the kernel ended up receiving 6 years of support, or it just happened this way and we could've ended up with this extended development cycle even if the kernel only had 2 years of support.

But there's a lot of software in 14.2 that is effectively EOL, including KDE. That hasn't stopped Pat from having an extended development cycle, and there's nothing official saying an EOL kernel would've prompted any changes in support for 14.2.
 
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Old 11-27-2019, 01:43 PM   #59
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One might say that 14.2, the best Slackware yet was so much more best that it takes quite a while of development upstream, downstream and all over the place to best it over again.



Judging of which, we are not only getting the very next Slackware yet, but the very best of the best Slackwares yet.



Mark my words!
 
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Our poor BDFL, imagine suffering all the tickling of that crawl , let's hope soon this big (and ours ) wait is over...

(c'mon upstream, our knuckles are paper-withe of fingers crossed for so long...)
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