Wonderful! BUT, I am afraid that our BDFL not even had been read what we written... yet.

I'm a third user since about a week, using pipewire both for video and also as a replacement of pulseaudio.
The move from pulseaudio to pipewire works nicely for audio here, and a few things works even better:
* kde is able to show app window previews in the taskbar under wayland
* "share screen" functionality works on chrome browser under wayland (not on firefox, but from their bugzilla they are still working on it)
* the mic on my bose qc35 headphones is now properly detected and available for use; pulseaudio was not able to use it, as far as i understand it was locked to a profile that didn't support bidirectional comms.

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What is so necessary in Wayland? It is like pulseaudio or any other brilliant idea from all we know source. I think Xorg will be fine for very long time just as init. And even if Wayland finally will work many will decide to use old good Xorg. This argument "spaghetti code" - what is not "spaghetti code"? Wayland at some point of its development also can be "spaghetti". People just say this but essentially don't understand what does it mean. It is about code quality? Lack of documentation? Too many developers with poor communication? Complex code?

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Heh. Our maintainer does read posts here; this is the official Slackware forum. I'm very curious to see what Beta 2 is like.

I'm not sure we understood each other here, so I'll try to explain myself.

Well, that's your interpretation and the choices you offer have nothing to do with what I said. What I meant is exactly what I wrote, and I think the one who's throwing the hate around should be moderated.

Again, I wasn't talking about you throwing hate, it was about that other guy (the flamethrower).

Another thing: you are mentioning "a good case" that made you decide to ignore the guy (the reason being exactly the one I mentioned), and you dismiss my opinion as "subjective and based on little evidence"? What I said is just that: once it's obvious (not before, and preferably not after), mods should stop it. If you were able to recognize "a good case" and act accordingly, I thing the mods should be capable to do the same.

I agree, but the price is a lot of time spent (cumulatively) by the community members arguing with a troll. That's why I think that moderators should react in such cases.

I can understand the tolerance, before it's obvious (as it's been for some time now with that account) that someone is trolling. When it becomes obvious, mods should protect the members, their time and energy. Simple as that. We can have many topics open and discuss anything in a polite and constructive manner, and that's what we do here most of the time, but certain kinds of behavior should not be tolerated. Of course, that's just my opinion, no one has to agree.

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That being said, I think we should get back on topic

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On my laptop using the trackpad is a frustrating experience on X: I get a lot of missed touches and ghost drag events (a single touch is being wrongly interpreted as the start of a drag and drop). Under wayland it works perfectly, i would say like a macbook touchpad.
Even if wayland has a few bugs here and there, that single problem is enough for me to prefer it to X.

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Yes, that would be great!

Who cares about pipewire except hobbyists? I am waiting for stable release I don't need kind bleeding edge distribution - if you guys are fancy about this - just do what you want - but don't make Slackware hostage of this Plasma desktop stack. Fans of Plasma may essentially try to be satisfied with what is now. Just don't push it.

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Are you sure it is something wrong with Xorg? Do you expect auto-magic? Like Windows - turn power on and it works. Did you ever tried to find a fix? So you prefer Wayland because your trackpad works? Despite few bugs here and there? This is your concept of stability?

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Nobody makes Slackware hostage. Our BDFL can fulfill all our "demands" on ONE HOUR - probably would remain time even for "further tuning" ... IF he wants.

First to talk, please look about what we ask. They are truly minor things, with great positive effects for our purposes.

Yeah, the PipeWire is way better at handling the Bluetooth audio devices. Seen myself that.

BTW, if we talk about screen sharing, there's needed also xdg-desktop-portal.

With it, also works on Wayland/Plasma5 even TeamViewer, non only Firefox. Tested myself.

I know about it, but let's keep it for the "second wave" ...

Did you want the guys to blame us for asking for fundamental changes? This one have a package of 430KB as size!

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I believe that Wayland/Plasma5 has no major bugs today.

Just that it's not packaged on Slackware on the most, let's say... fortunate way, to be respectful.

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Yes

Being so provocative won't make you look nicer to a community.

Yes, lokked up online, tried different configurations of xf86-input-synaptics, tried forcing usage of xf86-input-libinput, and so on. It looks like libinput just works better for modern trackpads, but while using it under X it's just limited, eg. horizontal scrolling and multitouch can't be supported.

Would you prefer using a broken mouse or a working one?

I'm tracking all the bugs I'm encountering and already submitted bug reports and patches. One of my patches already landed in plasma-workspace 5.21.4.

My servers runs Slackware 14.2. That's my concept of stability.

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Should we all feel excited? I am sure Windows even better handles bluetooth audio devices. So what? Should we all tomorrow through out Linux and install Windows?

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