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Old 05-20-2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Slackware 12.1 and GNOME


Looks like Dropline and Gslacky have yet to bring out specific versions of GNOME for Slackware 12.1, although rebuilding DLG-2.20 from source may work.

GNOME SlackBuild v2.22.1 is available for 12.1.

Anyone tried it yet?

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Old 05-20-2008, 05:15 PM   #2
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100 views and no replies. Looks like a "No."
 
Old 05-20-2008, 05:32 PM   #3
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100 views and no replies. Looks like a "No."
Well, Gnome isn't really very popular among Slackers (perhaps simply because it isn't included), so you'll probably have to wait a little bit to get any replies.

From the DLG forums:
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Well, if you really can't wait, you can just rebuild the existing DLG-2.20 from source with Slackware 12.1.

I did just that, and it works fine (so far).
 
Old 05-20-2008, 06:37 PM   #4
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Well, Gnome isn't really very popular among Slackers (perhaps simply because it isn't included), so you'll probably have to wait a little bit to get any replies.
Thank you very much for a condescending reply which I found so very helpful on many levels. I also appreciated the generalisation that GNOME isn't popular among Slackers.
 
Old 05-20-2008, 07:09 PM   #5
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Don't know why the other Gnome offerings haven't released yet... Nothing new in 12.1 that would delay it. In fact, you no longer have to build a lot of things to be included in Gnome. I've been running my 2.22.1 source build since the day after 12.1 was released. Works great.

edit - If your going to rebuild DL, make sure you drop/add the appropriate packages. No sense in rebuilding things that no longer need to be built. You can view my changelog to get your feet wet if you want.

http://jaguarlinux.com/pub/slackware...12.1/ChangeLog

Last edited by jong357; 05-20-2008 at 07:16 PM.
 
Old 05-20-2008, 11:24 PM   #6
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Thank you very much for a condescending reply which I found so very helpful on many levels. I also appreciated the generalisation that GNOME isn't popular among Slackers.
Wow, calm down. I actually wasn't trying to be condescending AT ALL and I don't think I came across that way. If you notice, I said Gnome wasn't popular among Slackers probably because it just isn't included by default. I never said it was bad to like Gnome -- that's fine with me -- it's just that most Slackers don't like Gnome enough to go through installing a third party build themselves. That seems to be my impression around here, anyway -- again, I never said Gnome was bad or that you were not a true Slacker for wanting to install it -- just that the majority of users here don't use Gnome, probably for the simple fact that it isn't included by default. The sole fact that it isn't installed by default almost necessitates that the majority of Slackware users ("Slackers") don't use it -- and therefore it isn't as popular. And, since it isn't as "popular" as some of the default, included window managers and desktop environments, probably because of the fact that they are included by default, more people than normal would have to view the thread in order to "find one" that actually uses 12.1 AND likes Gnome enough to install it. Seriously -- you need to take a chill pill -- I was trying to help. Honestly.

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...although rebuilding DLG-2.20 from source may work.
You suggested that -- and I did a quick check on their forums to confirm that it is a possible solution that works. Seriously -- I was actually trying to help, but you were too busy expecting the perfect response to actually acknowledge the fact that I went to their forums (which you should have done before asking the question) and found that someone had indeed compiled it -- and therefore, if you DO want to try DLG in Slackware 12.1, it is a possibility.

No, I don't have any information on GSB, because I don't use it -- but you can find all you need at their website, and jong357, one of the most knowledgeable users here on the subject of Gnome, included a nice reply to help you out. I will say that if I did care about Gnome enough to install it in Slackware, I would absolutely use jong357's build -- it seems the most "vanilla" to me. And, apparently, it works with 12.1.
 
Old 05-21-2008, 04:47 AM   #7
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Wow, calm down. I actually wasn't trying to be condescending AT ALL and I don't think I came across that way.
It certainly didn't come across as condescending to me.

Back in the old Fidonet dial-up BBS days one of our local sysops had a rule for his boards which has stood me in good stead for many years on BBSes, mailing lists and messageboards. At the risk of dkpw finding me condescending I'll share it with you all:
"Do not be overly annoying and do not be too easily annoyed."
 
Old 05-21-2008, 05:22 AM   #8
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I've run GnomeSlackBuild for a while in it's final beta stages, and it looked great. The advantage of GSB is that it replaces an absolute minimum of Slackware packages, plus it does not install PAM on your Slackware system.

Eric
 
Old 05-21-2008, 09:38 AM   #9
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Some of the Gnome devs keep trying to sneak PAM dependencies in... It's getting annoying dealing with it. If I remember correctly, liboobs or system-tools-backends2 had a PAM dep a couple years ago and now gdm since 2.21.4 or 5 checks for PAM in it's configure and bombs if not found.

I'm sure their will come a day when you can't get away from it.
 
Old 05-21-2008, 10:27 AM   #10
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It slipped my mind, but to the OP, Gnome 2.22.2 is due in exactaly one week. That's why no one is releasing yet. I started to update my 2.22.1 scripts but slammed the brakes on...

Too much work when I'm going to have to do it again in 7 days....
 
Old 05-21-2008, 02:09 PM   #11
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Glad to hear there's something working and something new coming..though I do use many operating systems and not just Slackware, I do like Gnome and thus it seems I'm not a "stereotype Slacker". Ok by me

Maybe I'll try to build Gnome on 12.1 when the newer version comes out..

By the way, what's wrong with PAM? I never quite got it..not offending anybody (in case somebody has strong opinions), just curious.
 
Old 05-21-2008, 03:43 PM   #12
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By the way, what's wrong with PAM? I never quite got it..not offending anybody (in case somebody has strong opinions), just curious.

From what I could find out by searching: PAM was deemed, "Additional complexity for the sake of it".

Though I agree with that train of thought, PAM was far less ubiquitous when that decision was taken, and unfortunately, it does seem to be becoming more and more of a requirement. I do wonder whether it would be better for Slackware to adopt PAM now purely for the sake of compatibility with other distro's rather than on any particular merits of PAM itself.

If everybody in the world, except you, were afflicted with a plague that caused their left leg to fall off, then you're left with the choice of chopping off your own left leg to fit in, or you have to make your own right shoes. Though its obviously better to have 2 working legs, the problem is that not everyone has the ability to make good shoes and going barefoot isn't always an option.

( I suppose you could still hop without cutting off the leg, but that sort of breaks my analogy so ignore that one. )
 
Old 05-22-2008, 06:22 AM   #13
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Well, at the risk of citing this way to often:

from ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackwar.../ChangeLog.txt

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n/openssh-3.7.1p2-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to openssh-3.7.1p2.
This fixes security problems with PAM authentication. It also includes
several code cleanups from Solar Designer. Slackware does not use PAM and is
not vulnerable to any of the fixed problems.
Please indulge me for this brief aside (as requests for PAM are on the rise):
If you see a security problem reported which depends on PAM, you can be
glad you run Slackware. I think a better name for PAM might be SCAM, for
Swiss Cheese Authentication Modules, and have never felt that the small
amount of convenience it provides is worth the great loss of system
security. We miss out on half a dozen security problems a year by not
using PAM, but you can always install it yourself if you feel that
you're missing out on the fun. (No, don't do that)
OK, I'm done ranting here. :-)
I don't think that PAM has improved that much since this statement about five years ago.
 
Old 05-22-2008, 08:05 AM   #14
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To the OP, I second Alien's posting: I installed GSB last night and it works way better than Gnome that I've tried on any other distro. I'm really happy about this because all the applications I use are GTK, and Gnome controls the style on all of them: I no longer have to restart Emacs to get a new GTK theme. Very cool.

Joel
 
Old 05-22-2008, 09:55 AM   #15
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Well, my experience was different. I loaded GSB two days ago. When finally done, I got dozens of warnings at startup & Gnome would not start at all. KDE did start, but the one program that I was depending on (GnuCash) crashed just after displaying the Tips screen. I ran it from a terminal; the error was that a file/directory somewhere (it had 'slib' in the name) had the wrong permissions. That made sense, as the named file/directory did not exist! I hate to admit it, but I finally gave up & restored my partition, which I had backed up before starting the GSB installation. I'm probably going to try again, as I have used Freerock Gnome in the past & liked it a lot. I'm hoping I just got a bad download.
Regards,
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