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Old 07-13-2005, 10:58 AM   #31
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Quote:
Originally posted by Namaseit
Wow you must have some pretty weird hardware. The 2.6 kernel in slack isn't going to be any different then a 2.6 kernel in debian. maybe a few different options but its pretty much the same. Also the apps don't have anything to do with the kernel. They aren't compiled against it. I'm not sure what you mean about this. I've been using a 2.6 kernel with slackware for a long time without much problems. 2.6.11 sure was a lemon though. Hardly slackware's fault. I just kept using 2.6.10 which ran like a champ. Until I bought my WD SATA HDD last week I didn't even want to upgrade from 2.6.10. As for the nvidia driver that is very strange. As for no vesafb at startup It's something you see for 20-30 seconds and either have KDM or GDM or XDM load up or just login and startx on your way.

But hey, whatever works for you is fine. If slackware isn't for then its your choice. Who cares what distro people use anyways. It's whatever you're more comfortable with is all.
There was an Alsa package that went with the kernel as well as a couple of other things. The nvidia driver needs to compile off of kernel headers. The problem of vesafb wasn't at startup! The problem didn't happen till the nvidia driver loaded. Now try to switch to runlevel 3 to repair your failed nvidia driver install when all you can see is a garbled mess.

The nvidia driver problem is not strange. It's well documented on the nVidia Forum.

By the way, who said I was dumping Slackware? I just don't agree with some of the decisions and how they affect my computer. I'm not telling anyone it works for to drop it. I still like it. I still use it for downloading pictures off of my camera, the one thing I don't have working in Debian yet. I still keep it updated and post the updates in another linux forum.

Last edited by trigggl; 07-16-2005 at 07:02 AM.
 
Old 07-13-2005, 02:26 PM   #32
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"I sure am tired of clicking 'yes' for compile anyways even though I have the RivaTNT module as part of my kernel."

AFAIK the only nvidia driver that comes with slack is the generic nvidia driver "nv". If I want full features I have to compile drivers against kernel with script from the nvidia site. if I change kernels or use more than one kernel then I need a different (compiled) "nvidia" driver for each kernel. My video cards are secondhand (>= 3 yr old) but the most recent nvidia script "7174" works. It compiles for them as well as the newest nvidia cards.

"What good is a media drive that you need to be root to access."

Try changing your /etc/fstab to this?
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,users,ro 0 0
It works.

"You have to remember to use all the other programs in testing that have been compiled with it,"

What other programs? Other than installing the alsa, headers, and modules packages in the ./current/testing directory I always seem to be able to run that kernel on a stock install with no other upgrades to desktop/productivity/media aps except for (of course) compiling new nvidia driver.

Since nvidia's proprietory I don't think you will ever see their own drivers in slack and some other distros too. For full nvidia features you will always need to compile from nvidia's script. Otherwise you'll be using the generic driver that works but not with all features.

BTW I'm still curious as to why taking out gnome breaks kde

Last edited by justwantin; 07-13-2005 at 02:37 PM.
 
Old 07-13-2005, 05:43 PM   #33
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I always found it great that the 'vanilla' nature of Slack meant that the nvidia's drivers installed cleanly on my system straight away. It was something that attracted me to it.

I have also used Slack for music work with great success. The fact that so many source packages compiled cleanly meant that it was great for getting software rather than hunting for packages.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 05:52 AM   #34
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Quote:
Originally posted by justwantin
"I sure am tired of clicking 'yes' for compile anyways even though I have the RivaTNT module as part of my kernel."

AFAIK the only nvidia driver that comes with slack is the generic nvidia driver "nv". If I want full features I have to compile drivers against kernel with script from the nvidia site. if I change kernels or use more than one kernel then I need a different (compiled) "nvidia" driver for each kernel. My video cards are secondhand (>= 3 yr old) but the most recent nvidia script "7174" works. It compiles for them as well as the newest nvidia cards.

"What good is a media drive that you need to be root to access."

Try changing your /etc/fstab to this?
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,users,ro 0 0
It works.

"You have to remember to use all the other programs in testing that have been compiled with it,"

What other programs? Other than installing the alsa, headers, and modules packages in the ./current/testing directory I always seem to be able to run that kernel on a stock install with no other upgrades to desktop/productivity/media aps except for (of course) compiling new nvidia driver.

Since nvidia's proprietory I don't think you will ever see their own drivers in slack and some other distros too. For full nvidia features you will always need to compile from nvidia's script. Otherwise you'll be using the generic driver that works but not with all features.

BTW I'm still curious as to why taking out gnome breaks kde
I'm not sure why you're talking about what video driver comes with Slack. I get the nvidia driver from nvidia. The 'nv' driver included in the kernel is slow and skews my screen regardless of the distro I use, and yes all kernels that come with Slackware include RivaTNT as a module. Never mind, I've had it loaded for a while now and don't intend to tamper with it anymore. The nvidia driver that comes from nvidia does need to be compiled against the headers.

I looked at my fstab in Slackware and it said "owner" instead of "users", so that could be my problem there.

I was talking about alsa, and I thought I remembered GTK being there, too. I'm too lazy to look it up to be sure.

Well, it seemed like every time I wanted to add a program, I needed a gnome program to make it work. Try running KDE without any Gnome programs or libraries installed, I dare ya.

My computer is an oddball and it is kind of temperamental. Try running Slackware on an i820 board sometime and we can compare notes. I'm not trying to get down on Slackware, I was just expressing some feelings about the direction. Some of those feelings have changed by now because I'm actually getting the security emails I signed up for. That means that they must be getting some help. Funny that Debian had security issues the moment I switched. I change that fstab setting. Perhaps you would know what the best setting is for me to use my FAT32 partition. (Actually, I don't use Windows much anymore so I should probably just reformat it to something with modifiable permissions)
 
Old 07-14-2005, 08:40 AM   #35
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Quote:
Originally posted by trigggl
I'm not sure why you're talking about what video driver comes with Slack. I get the nvidia driver from nvidia. The 'nv' driver included in the kernel is slow and skews my screen regardless of the distro I use, and yes all kernels that come with Slackware include RivaTNT as a module. Never mind, I've had it loaded for a while now and don't intend to tamper with it anymore. The nvidia driver that comes from nvidia does need to be compiled against the headers.

I looked at my fstab in Slackware and it said "owner" instead of "users", so that could be my problem there.

I was talking about alsa, and I thought I remembered GTK being there, too. I'm too lazy to look it up to be sure.

Well, it seemed like every time I wanted to add a program, I needed a gnome program to make it work. Try running KDE without any Gnome programs or libraries installed, I dare ya.
There are no GNOME libraries that I can see that are required by KDE.

What libraries are you referring too?
 
Old 07-14-2005, 09:15 AM   #36
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I'm done.
This has gone way off topic, and should be 5 pages down by now.
How does all this relate to:
Quote:
Originally posted by jmdicar
Has anyone heard when Slackware 11.0 will be release?

Last edited by trigggl; 07-16-2005 at 07:13 AM.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 09:19 AM   #37
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Quote:
Originally posted by sporks
There are no GNOME libraries that I can see that are required by KDE.

What libraries are you referring too?
He's probably referring to the dependancies for some OS programs. It's annoying when I come across a program that I want to install, but I can't because I don't have arts installed (a KDE-library), or it fails because it demands libgnomeui.

That said, there's precious few programs out there which don't have a substitute that doesn't require either KDE or Gnome. I'm running a perfectly servicable system with XFCE as my main UI, on which I didn't install either KDE or Gnome. (I *did* install QT, but I don't have any programs that require it yet). For audio, I could use XMMS (though I don't like the skins or the size of it, so I'm using Zinf), I'm running xine, firefox/thunderbird, and because I don't like emacs, I'm running SciTE as my text editor. AbiWord works great as a word processor.

You just have to look a little harder to find programs that work without either Gnome or KDE. There *are* programs out there that just require GTK. There are also programs out there that don't require GTK, either.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 10:00 AM   #38
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Quote:
Originally posted by justwantin
slackware always seems to work time after time. Just work.

Any slack release is just a stable snapshot at that moment in time usually within 4 weeks my systems are evolving into something higher, sometimes with current sometimes without. It's just a solid base that you can leave alone or expand/change to suit your needs.

Just seems that for me I decided about 2 1/2 years ago that distro hoping didn't give me anything more than sticking with just one and sorting out what my problems were. It just turned out the ride stopped at slackware. I'm kind of grateful for that.
I took out your mention of Debian because apt-get ran me off and into the arms of Slackware.

Sticking with one distro is what I decided, also. And Slackware it is. If I'm still around when Pat isn't, there won't be any problem running Slackware forever. Unless one depends upon Pat, or whomever, to produce their software, and new kernels, you can just continue with what you've got, updating on your own.


As for the original question, here's my prediction:
Quote:
Original quote posted by Chinaman
Slackware-10.2 will come out in August with a 2.4.x kernel.
Slackware-11.0 will come out end of 2005, or early 2006, with a 2.6.x kernel.
But as others have said...just keep Slackware -current, and compile from source making Slackpacks of any other software you want, and hey, you're always running the next version.

Code:
mingdao@james:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version 
Slackware -current
mingdao@james:~$ uname -a
Linux james 2.6.12.2 #3 Tue Jul 5 19:29:26 CST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
You're in charge here, bud, let's see what you can do :-D
 
Old 07-14-2005, 10:25 AM   #39
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Quote:
Originally posted by trigggl
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"When will Slackware 11.0 be out?"
When it's ready.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 11:00 AM   #40
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Have I ever compiled a kernel? Yeah for about 5 years now thanks for asking. I don't remember saying they used the *exact* same options. Oh wait I didn't, i said some might be different. But lets see, if slackware kernel has most everything compiled as a module and debian kernel has most everything compiled as a module I'd think they are fairly close. Except version differences of course. Plus I don't remember saying you dropped slackware. I just said I didn't care if people used whatever distro they like. How did that imply as you dropping slack? I read in your previous post you use it to get camera images. I don't give a crap if you use all 386 distro's listed on distrowatch.com I was just trying to make the point that I think its dumb people making everything into distro wars.

But hey man whatever. I guess if you want to act hostile towards me and talk down to me then I'll be sure to ignore your threads.

Have a nice day.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 10:00 PM   #41
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Originally posted by slackMeUp
When it's ready.
From the Changelog:

Quote:
bootdisks/*: Regenerated bootdisks with "Slackware 10.2" label.
Looks like there'll be a 10.2 before 11.0.
 
Old 07-14-2005, 11:48 PM   #42
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Looks like there'll be a 10.2 before 11.0.
Post #38 .... you heard it here first :-D
 
Old 07-14-2005, 11:50 PM   #43
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And I am glad it is 10.2 before 11.0.

Am using Slackware-CURRENT, and my comment is, the current does not justify a major version increment. But it does justify a jump in minor version increment. Probably 10.3 or 10.4.

Last edited by carboncopy; 07-14-2005 at 11:51 PM.
 
Old 07-15-2005, 03:35 AM   #44
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It's funny how people put so much stock in major version numbers.

IMO, Ubuntu and Gentoo have got the most sensible numbering schemes. And Fedora's is nice and simple.
 
Old 07-15-2005, 03:44 AM   #45
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I think that this version is worth a major jump, the mysql change from 4.0.x to 4.1.y has a lot of implications, the password encoding change in 4.1 broke several applications like the KnowledgeTree document management system.

KDE has advanced a lot since 10.1 as well.
 
  


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