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Old 06-07-2021, 11:42 AM   #31
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Are you talking about slackware-current ?

Slackware-current is probably one of the most up-to-date linux distributions
Even -current has a calm vibe around itself, and you can easily update it once a month. On Arch and Gentoo~ things aren't that easy. They can provoke a mental disease called "waiting for ebuilds (Gentoo)/reading news what is broken before update (Arch)".
 
Old 06-07-2021, 11:46 AM   #32
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Even -current has a calm vibe around itself, and you can easily update it once a month. On Arch and Gentoo~ things aren't that easy. They can provoke a mental disease called "waiting for ebuilds (Gentoo)/reading news what is broken before update (Arch)".
slackware-current is the development branch of slackware, made for testing
IMHO, it wouldn't make much sense to update only once a month
 
Old 06-07-2021, 11:50 AM   #33
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With vanishingly rare exceptions, Slackware-current has managed to stay on the right side of the bleeding edge. Everything is up-to-date, yet it's also stable. Thus, while you can update daily, you can also go at a slower pace, since it's rare that you're actually in need of some critical update or bug fix.

When I say "stable" I'm not using the Debian definition of "ten years old" but rather "it does what it's supposed to do without blowing up".
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 12:16 PM   #34
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Slackware is not for those who check new versions on a daily basis. For those there is Arch. You are using the wrong tools, comrade.
Slackware -current generally is bleeding edge and sees updates shortly after they're released by upstream. Many times -current has been further ahead than Arch. However, since it is a one man operation (with some help from his dev team), if Pat has something going on in real life or the changes are big enough, those updates may be delayed.
 
Old 06-07-2021, 01:52 PM   #35
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I remember a couple of times where nothing happened for over a week....
There was a time back in 2015 where we went almost 7 weeks without an update (5 MAR - 21 APR) -- but we had a pretty massive update when he came back (545 upgraded packages and another 98 rebuilt and 78 added with 20 removed).

It was a frustrating time due to the lack of updates and no word from Pat, but many of us kept the belief that something big was being worked and that we weren't abandoned.

I do love seeing -current move, but Pat definitely deserves some time away from the computers and to be able to spend time with his family without worrying about Slackware. Hopefully he's on a relaxing vacation and will be nice and refreshed when he gets back for the hopeful final push to a 15.0 release
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:23 PM   #36
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Check this out
Mon Jun 7 18:53:49 UTC 2021
http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackwar.../ChangeLog.txt
 
Old 06-07-2021, 02:23 PM   #37
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Hey folks! Sorry about the delay in getting this batch out but I had other
distractions going on here last week that prevented getting this one wrapped
up. Anyway, probably the highlight of this update set is that we've decided
to abandon the 5.10 LTS kernel in favor of following the latest one. We've
never really had a policy that required LTS in a stable release although that
is how it has been done for years, but based on comments from the Slackware
community it seems like 5.10 LTS isn't getting a lot of love and lacks
hardware support that people need now. Conversely, the reports on 5.12 have
been almost entirely positive, so we're going to provide what we think is the
best available kernel. It's unlikely that we'll see another LTS prior to
release, so the plan for maintenance is to keep following the latest kernels
as needed for security purposes. If that means we have to jump to a new branch
while supporting the stable release, we'll start the kernel out in testing
first until we've had some feedback that it's safe to move it to the patches
directory. Sooner or later we will end up on an LTS kernel again, and at that
point we'll just roll with that one. Feel free to comment (or complain) about
this plan on LQ... I'll be curious to see what people think. Anyway, enjoy!
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:25 PM   #38
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Great news concerning 5.12! I kept having to upgrade to the "testing" 5.12 kernel because of hardware support issues, and now I'll get the right version straight out of the box!
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:27 PM   #39
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I do love seeing -current move, but Pat definitely deserves some time away from the computers and to be able to spend time with his family without worrying about Slackware. Hopefully he's on a relaxing vacation and will be nice and refreshed when he gets back for the hopeful final push to a 15.0 release


Exactly. I am always impressed at the purity of his vision, and how he has kept Slackware what it is despite all the currents in Linux world pulling in all the different directions that they do. Best Linux distro out there. Then and now.

I do get tired of the drama queens posting in here lately. It lowers the level of discourse in here for everyone.
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 02:51 PM   #40
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Great news concerning 5.12! I kept having to upgrade to the "testing" 5.12 kernel because of hardware support issues, and now I'll get the right version straight out of the box!
Wonderful news indeed! Many thanks to Pat and the entire Slackware Team! Slackware 15.0 is going to be another stellar release.
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 03:49 PM   #41
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Yes - I agree with the decision on the 5.12 kernel as well.

Less happy if this delays 15.0 for a significant period, but not to the point I think Slackware should stay with 5.10.
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 04:41 PM   #42
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Wonderful news indeed! Many thanks to Pat and the entire Slackware Team! Slackware 15.0 is going to be another stellar release.
I am so happy that those Industrial Kernels joined the Firefox for Enterprise on their afterlife!

Those industrial kernels are just not made for desktops.

Last edited by ZhaoLin1457; 06-07-2021 at 04:49 PM.
 
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:36 PM   #43
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slackware-current is the development branch of slackware, made for testing
IMHO, it wouldn't make much sense to update only once a month
Once a month is just right, imo. I, as a user of the stable version since forever, would be happy to be updated even less often, but buying a new hardware and the fact that the last stable release was 5 (!) years ago, forced me to use the current version (until the 15.0 release) and live under its rules. We should not changing distributions because of such trifles, isn't it?
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If that means we have to jump to a new branch while supporting the stable release, 
we'll start the kernel out in testing
first until we've had some feedback that it's safe to move it to the patches
directory. Sooner or later we will end up on an LTS kernel again, and at that
point we'll just roll with that one.
Excellent solution, however, as usual.
 
Old 06-07-2021, 07:03 PM   #44
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I am so happy that those Industrial Kernels joined the Firefox for Enterprise on their afterlife!

Those industrial kernels are just not made for desktops.
Based on the text quoted below, it sounds like Pat's intention is to keep 15.0 on the latest kernel release until the next LTS kernel is announced. Then it will stay on that one for future updates.

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Sooner or later we will end up on an LTS kernel again, and at that point we'll just roll with that one.
However, changing the status quo of the past and actually upgrading the major kernel version in a Slackware release does open up the possibility that 15.0 may see updates beyond the next LTS as well. Guess we'll need to wait and see...
 
Old 06-07-2021, 07:06 PM   #45
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Wonderful news indeed! Many thanks to Pat and the entire Slackware Team! Slackware XX.0 is going to be another stellar release.
hitest says this on the cusp of every release
 
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