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Old 09-26-2015, 02:54 AM   #31
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Perhaps Patrick should apply for a trade mark for "I'm a Slacker." Especially if the S is the Slackware symbol.
 
Old 09-26-2015, 10:41 PM   #32
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Well, Slackbuilds and Slackware since 13.0 put a copyright claim in their trivial bash scripts that package other people's work. That's uncool.
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Wait, using an open source license is uncool? How?
As seen in a previous thread ivandi lives in a fantasy world where public domain contributions are feasible, and any attempt to produce legally binding free software is an attempt to own an idea.
 
Old 09-27-2015, 12:23 AM   #33
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Wait, using an open source license is uncool? How?
The Easter Bunny should sue Santa Clause then.

I'm not a fan of the GPL myself, as I prefer the MIT license, but licensing your work, efforts, and contributions to the community is common sense.

Best example possible of why Public Domain is not wise... The Wheel Barrow. For over a hundred years or so, many bought and sold these with an unlicensed Public Domain design until about the 1990s or around that time when a guy redesigned it, patented it, and licensed the rights to it for a fortune.

No, he thinks Public Domain is true open source. No restriction, no rights, no claims, nothing at all.

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Old 09-27-2015, 01:48 AM   #34
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No, he thinks Public Domain is true open source. No restriction, no rights, no claims, nothing at all.
And then, of course, there's the real world, with the real world law.
 
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Old 09-27-2015, 02:06 AM   #35
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Creative Commons still creates some restrictions, so it's not truly free of claim, right, privilege, or legality.

In a perfect world we wouldn't need licenses because everyone would respect the works of others, but our world is far from perfect on any level.
 
Old 09-27-2015, 09:46 AM   #36
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FWIW someone started a Slackware team on Slack: https://slackware.slack.com

Wonder who made it?
 
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:15 AM   #37
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The value is based on venture capitol investors.

And, yes... It is indeed nearly impossible that the founders did not know about Slackware because they built the original system on an IRC back end. A back end that is now proprietary, recorded and view-able by your boss, even private conversations. Unless the echo-boomers are completely daft, they'll scoff at this level of privacy intrusion in the workplace.
If I'm using the company resources to do anything, I'd expect management to be able to look at it.
 
Old 09-27-2015, 04:42 PM   #38
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As seen in a previous thread ivandi lives in a fantasy world........
You are right. Opening this forum is like entering a fantasy world.

Sysvinit is the best init system available. NIS is a state of the art central authentication system. Mbox is the best mail delivery format. 100 MB of RAM is a minimum requirement for displaying a round clock.

Making a Linux distribution is Computer Science. Even in some circles it is considered a magical process where The Man inspired by Bob writes a bunch of "configure && make && make install" scripts to produce the only True Linux Distribution optimized for commonly used i486 hardware. These scripts are so creative and unique that they have to be copyrighted.


Cheers
 
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:10 PM   #39
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You are right. Opening this forum is like entering a fantasy world.

Sysvinit is the best init system available. NIS is a state of the art central authentication system. Mbox is the best mail delivery format. 100 MB of RAM is a minimum requirement for displaying a round clock.

Making a Linux distribution is Computer Science. Even in some circles it is considered a magical process where The Man inspired by Bob writes a bunch of "configure && make && make install" scripts to produce the only True Linux Distribution optimized for commonly used i486 hardware. These scripts are so creative and unique that they have to be copyrighted.


Cheers
May I politely suggest you add this to your personal library?

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Old 09-27-2015, 06:16 PM   #40
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These scripts are so creative and unique that they have to be copyrighted.
You have a fundamental lack of understanding of the copyright system in theory and in practice and it would behoove you to either learn what it actually means or refrain from discussing it. But you refuse (or are incapable) of doing either.
 
Old 09-27-2015, 06:18 PM   #41
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May I politely suggest you add this to your personal library?

Off topic


No need to be polite kikinovak. True friends will tell you what they think, not what they think you would like. I have "lost" a lot "friends" because of this attitude. May be I'll have to spend countless lifetimes until I learn to be an hypocrite.

Anyways. In vino veritas. I am going to open another bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon.


Cheers
 
Old 09-27-2015, 06:46 PM   #42
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You have a fundamental lack of understanding of the copyright system in theory and in practice and it would behoove you to either learn what it actually means or refrain from discussing it. But you refuse (or are incapable) of doing either.
For stupid guys like me there is http://unlicense.org/


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Old 09-27-2015, 07:04 PM   #43
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You have a fundamental lack of understanding of the copyright system in theory and in practice and it would behoove you to either learn what it actually means or refrain from discussing it. But you refuse (or are incapable) of doing either.
In practice the Copywrong system just is there for the billionaires and does nothing good for actual creators.
 
Old 09-27-2015, 10:23 PM   #44
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You are right. Opening this forum is like entering a fantasy world.

Sysvinit is the best init system available. NIS is a state of the art central authentication system. Mbox is the best mail delivery format. 100 MB of RAM is a minimum requirement for displaying a round clock.

Making a Linux distribution is Computer Science. Even in some circles it is considered a magical process where The Man inspired by Bob writes a bunch of "configure && make && make install" scripts to produce the only True Linux Distribution optimized for commonly used i486 hardware. These scripts are so creative and unique that they have to be copyrighted.


Cheers
Oh so basically your calling Patrick a moron because he wants to protect something he invested heavily into and is his livelihood? Wow man. You didn't have to say it outright, but it's easy enough for us who you feel are so beneath you to translate out into plain English. If you feel this community is so beneath you and is as you say a fantasy land, then find the Log Out link, click it, and lose the URL.

Why do people like you always never seem to appreciate anything, yet love to put everything and everyone else down for their ideas?

I might not be the biggest contributor to Slackware, I might be wrong from time to time on issues, I feel certain ways about certain things, and UnSpawn sometimes has to put me in time-out, but never have I dared to belittle Slackware, it's authors, contributors, users, LinuxQuestions, or it's staff in such a manner. I might not get along with Tobi, Darth can be thorny, and others here might not always see eye to eye. Heck even me and Eric butt heads, but of all of it all, we still are respectful. Right or wrong. Good or bad. Thick and thin. But that statement... you know what man. You're on your own with that one. I don't even know how to say it other than honestly... Totally out of line.

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Old 09-28-2015, 01:46 AM   #45
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top kek :^)

Gonna mention systemd now here so this trainwreck of a thread gets closed. Thanks mods! /sarcasm

Meanwhile I'll use Slack in the best way possible, via Slackware :^)
 
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