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Old 09-06-2014, 08:55 AM   #211
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Warning: Minor Rant

Thank you for this bit of information, even if only to realize that Microsoft is still at it as devious, control freaks. They've been doing this a long time. Back in the day, besides "offering" to delete any OS/2 partition during Windows install, they relabeled the extended partition descriptor from 05h to 0fh and literally the only difference was exactly one bit, the descriptor itself. Then they used the exact same descriptor for an NTFS partition as an HPFS partition so that OS/2 would see them as corrupt HPFS partitions. The list is long and now this. Who does it serve to force an upgrade in a Linux version that is essentially in name only other than the exclusion of ALSA-only systems? That older versions will run, and apparently work just fine if the "descriptor" is spoofed reaffirms that as much as Microsoft would like to be seen as more community oriented than in the past (now that they've destroyed so many competitors with both legitimate and illegitimate methods and gained 90+% market share) they are still the same old sharks. Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap. Disgusting!
Maybe there is more than just exclusion of ALSA-only systems, but there's no way we could know that.
 
Old 09-06-2014, 09:19 AM   #212
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@zerouno: If I understood correctly your post, on purely 32bit systems one can use

http://repository.slacky.eu/slackwar.../4.3.0.37/src/

to install Skype.4.3? Is this so?

-Stathis
 
Old 09-06-2014, 09:30 AM   #213
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Maybe there is more than just exclusion of ALSA-only systems, but there's no way we could know that.
The point is that the older app when spoofed to simply identify itself as the newer one, works. It seems to me if the old one failed to accommodate any other new changes it would fail to run, produce an error, if not an error message. Furthermore, there is apparently nothing that conflicts with ALSA since it still works. It isn't at all as if ALSA presents some problem that MS would find itself burdened to accommodate. It would seem they just chose to cripple their Linux version.

Yet further, while more and more MS apps run in Wine, that has been utterly shutdown in the case of the latest Windows versions. See this https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...sion&iId=26917 .

Again, this is not a new tactic, making non-change changes to thwart, cripple, disable anything remotely considered a competitor, disregarding how much they have benefited from Open Software. To be clear on this, I'm not so much miffed personally for these inconveniences to me. Maybe I'm overly idealistic but I consider that unlike buggy whips and 8-track decks, computers are now likely to exist in some form as long as there are humans capable of building them. They are already far too important to the future of Mankind for this kind of nastiness however minor it may seem in the case of Skype all by itself. It is but an example, the tip of the iceberg, reflecting on the larger character and nature of Microsoft as Bully, and a shortsighted, brutish one at that, that will "step on a dollar to pick up a dime", especially if they see you reach for the dime.

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Old 09-06-2014, 10:35 AM   #214
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I understand your point, and I pretty much agree with you. I was just expressing my concern about privacy and security with Skype. We know that they changed some things, and we don't like what they did and how they treat users and competitors, but I wonder how much 'silent' changes there are, that we know nothing about. Are those 'non-change changes' just annoying ways to fight competition, or there is more? Why are they so eager to force all users to upgrade to new version? Ugly thing is that we don't know that, and we don't have a way to solve that problem.

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Old 09-06-2014, 12:30 PM   #215
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I wonder how alsa would be a treat to Microsoft. They probably decided to drop it for technical reasons or business reasons (saving money while developing Skype).
 
Old 09-06-2014, 01:56 PM   #216
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There is of course always Google Hangouts as an alternative to Skype. Works in Linux, Android and Windows - no idea about MacOS.

Eric
 
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Old 09-07-2014, 09:42 AM   #217
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Google Hangouts looks pretty cool. Since there is no source .tar available, is there any advantage to one or the other between the choices of Ubuntu .deb and Fedora .rpm? Is there any advice as to which is better to strip down? I don't even remember the last time I felt the need to do that. Hope this is not a trend.
 
Old 09-07-2014, 11:30 AM   #218
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Google Hangouts looks pretty cool. Since there is no source .tar available, is there any advantage to one or the other between the choices of Ubuntu .deb and Fedora .rpm?
I can't even get those options at the time of this post. The link For your computer goes nowhere.
 
Old 09-07-2014, 01:01 PM   #219
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Install the google talk plugin from slackbuilds. Then when you log into gmail you can use the hangout feature. Also good for making phone calls from gmail too.
 
Old 09-07-2014, 07:07 PM   #220
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Skype is a binary download from Microsoft.
Google Hangouts (at least googletalk.SlackBuild) repackages a binary download from Google.

In terms of security i.e. not really knowing what the originators have built into the binary and no source being available, is there a concrete reason to prefer one or the other (apart from the usual fun of bagging Microsoft)?

chris
 
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Old 09-08-2014, 01:55 AM   #221
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Yes, there is an advantage to hangouts: they provide a 64-bit native library and it works well with ALSA.

I agree that it would be much better if they provided source code. But to me this is still preferable to skype
 
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Old 09-08-2014, 02:19 AM   #222
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In terms of security i.e. not really knowing what the originators have built into the binary and no source being available, is there a concrete reason to prefer one or the other
Snowden.

The depth of Microsoft's collusion in subverting its own products is shocking, but in the case of Skype, it was already subverted by its previous owners. Whilst absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, there have not been revelations of this extent about Skype's competitors, and it makes sense to choose the solution that may-or-may-not-be secure over the solution that you *know* is pwned.

"Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...tion-user-data

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The NSA has devoted substantial efforts in the last two years to work with Microsoft to ensure increased access to Skype, which has an estimated 663 million global users.

One document boasts that Prism monitoring of Skype video production has roughly tripled since a new capability was added on 14 July 2012. "The audio portions of these sessions have been processed correctly all along, but without the accompanying video. Now, analysts will have the complete 'picture'," it says.

Eight months before being bought by Microsoft, Skype joined the Prism program in February 2011.

According to the NSA documents, work had begun on smoothly integrating Skype into Prism in November 2010, but it was not until 4 February 2011 that the company was served with a directive to comply signed by the attorney general.

The NSA was able to start tasking Skype communications the following day, and collection began on 6 February. "Feedback indicated that a collected Skype call was very clear and the metadata looked complete," the document stated, praising the co-operation between NSA teams and the FBI. "Collaborative teamwork was the key to the successful addition of another provider to the Prism system."

ACLU technology expert Chris Soghoian said the revelations would surprise many Skype users. "In the past, Skype made affirmative promises to users about their inability to perform wiretaps," he said. "It's hard to square Microsoft's secret collaboration with the NSA with its high-profile efforts to compete on privacy with Google."

[...] This article was amended on 11 July 2013 to reflect information from Microsoft that it did not make any changes to Skype to allow Prism collection on or around July 2012.
 
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Old 09-08-2014, 04:47 PM   #223
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Smile execute the program through konsole

execute the program through konsole

su -c 'skype'
 
Old 09-08-2014, 05:33 PM   #224
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Check this out:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-a-4175517905/
 
Old 09-09-2014, 02:23 AM   #225
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su -c 'skype'
"This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified)"

means that pulseaudio should not be launched as root user.

There is a reason becouse you want run skype as root?
 
  


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