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Old 07-24-2013, 10:45 AM   #1
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seek: backup tool for single user home desktop


Hi slack brethren and sisteren,

I have a home desktop, not running servers, nor networks and I'm looking for the simplest option to backup my system and data files once a week to an external device.

At the moment, I can't even get Slackware to recognize the device, though when I used Ubuntu (ages ago) it seemed to pick it up automatically.

Questions:
1. could someone recommend a light, easily configurable (text or gui) backup tool, preferablly made to run on slack; and
2. could that, or some other someone, make a few comments from their experience at getting slackware64-current to recognize such devices

Here is the output of <lsusb>
Code:
lecanard lebec # lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 04b3:310c IBM Corp. Wheel Mouse
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1532:010e Razer USA, Ltd 
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 12d1:1506 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E398 LTE/UMTS/GSM Modem/Networkcard
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1058:1042 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. 
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0779 Microsoft Corp. 
lecanard lebec #
Thanks
 
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What is your external drive? Make/model kind of thing.

rsync is still the easiest way to backup files.

edit:

for monthly backups just edit your crontab to something like:
Code:
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh  --progress /home /mnt/external_harddisk/
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh  --progress /etc /mnt/external_harddisk/
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh  --progress /and-so-on /mnt/external_harddisk/
edit: removed the --delete switch. habit on my part to use that. but its important to know that with this it will delete files from the target that do not exist on the source (thanks gezley)

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Old 07-24-2013, 10:54 AM   #3
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szboardstretcher,
thanks for quick response:

here it is: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1532:010e Razer USA

Other than that, I"m afraid I don't know, as it was given as a gift, i've not used it more than once while using ubuntu a year to two back.

Edit: I look in file system and can't see it
I go to /dev/ and no show
I pull the usb device out, and replace it, hoping it will be picked up, null
I have tried rebooting, toujours null, null

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No prob. Actually thats your mouse. The western digital appears to be your external drive.

lets see the output of:

dmesg | grep usb
dmesg | grep sd
 
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I think you'll like this:

http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/

I use this both for backups on home desktops as well as production servers. Works great, and it's a really elegant solution. You'll find it described in detail in O'Reilly's Linux Hacks book.
 
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:26 AM   #6
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No prob. Actually thats your mouse. The western digital appears to be your external drive.

lets see the output of:

dmesg | grep usb
dmesg | grep sd
First: output of dmesg | grep usb
Code:
[root@MudPark:Journals] # dmesg|grep usb
[    0.190480] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[    0.190561] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[    0.190647] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[    4.463039] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[    4.463108] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    4.463233] usb usb1: Product: xHCI Host Controller
[    4.463299] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.9.10 xhci_hcd
[    4.463364] usb usb1: SerialNumber: 0000:00:14.0
[    4.464089] usb usb2: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0003
[    4.464157] usb usb2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    4.464266] usb usb2: Product: xHCI Host Controller
[    4.464331] usb usb2: Manufacturer: Linux 3.9.10 xhci_hcd
[    4.464398] usb usb2: SerialNumber: 0000:00:14.0
[    4.649700] usb usb3: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[    4.649768] usb usb3: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    4.649876] usb usb3: Product: EHCI Host Controller
[    4.649941] usb usb3: Manufacturer: Linux 3.9.10 ehci_hcd
[    4.650007] usb usb3: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1a.0
[    4.660707] usb usb4: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[    4.660775] usb usb4: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[    4.660883] usb usb4: Product: EHCI Host Controller
[    4.660948] usb usb4: Manufacturer: Linux 3.9.10 ehci_hcd
[    4.661013] usb usb4: SerialNumber: 0000:00:1d.0
[    4.816764] usb 1-3: new low-speed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd
[    4.830793] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=04b3, idProduct=310c
[    4.830794] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[    4.830795] usb 1-3: Product: USB Optical Mouse
[    4.830868] usb 1-3: ep 0x81 - rounding interval to 64 microframes, ep desc says 80 microframes
[    4.983906] usb 1-4: new full-speed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd
[    4.997048] usb 1-4: New USB device found, idVendor=1532, idProduct=010e
[    4.997094] usb 1-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[    4.997128] usb 1-4: Product: Razer BlackWidow
[    4.997144] usb 1-4: Manufacturer: Razer
[    5.099036] usb 3-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[    5.213490] usb 3-1: New USB device found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0024
[    5.213533] usb 3-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
[    5.316186] usb 4-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[    5.320286] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid
[    5.320306] usbhid: USB HID core driver
[    5.344137] input: USB Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0/input/input10
[    5.344613] hid-generic 0003:04B3:310C.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [USB Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:14.0-3/input0
[    5.344733] input: Razer Razer BlackWidow as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4/1-4:1.0/input/input11
[    5.345026] hid-generic 0003:1532:010E.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Razer Razer BlackWidow] on usb-0000:00:14.0-4/input0
[    5.345340] input: Razer Razer BlackWidow as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4/1-4:1.1/input/input12
[    5.345484] hid-generic 0003:1532:010E.0003: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.11 Device [Razer Razer BlackWidow] on usb-0000:00:14.0-4/input1
[    5.346292] input: Razer Razer BlackWidow as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4/1-4:1.2/input/input13
[    5.347537] hid-generic 0003:1532:010E.0004: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Razer Razer BlackWidow] on usb-0000:00:14.0-4/input2
[    5.430705] usb 4-1: New USB device found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0024
[    5.431964] usb 4-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
[    5.509529] usb 3-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci-pci
[    5.599854] usb 3-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=12d1, idProduct=1506
[    5.601117] usb 3-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=4, Product=3, SerialNumber=0
[    5.602331] usb 3-1.1: Product: HUAWEI Mobile
[    5.603543] usb 3-1.1: Manufacturer: Huawei Technologies
[    5.618987] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_wdm
[    5.619496] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial
[    5.619501] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic
[    5.619505] usbserial: USB Serial support registered for generic
[    5.621487] usbcore: registered new interface driver option
[    5.621495] usbserial: USB Serial support registered for GSM modem (1-port)
[    5.621616] usb 3-1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[    5.621670] usb 3-1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[    5.621709] usb 3-1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB2
[    5.642659] qmi_wwan 3-1.1:1.1 wwan0: register 'qmi_wwan' at usb-0000:00:1a.0-1.1, WWAN/QMI device, 16:55:5b:fb:5f:f0
[    5.643916] usbcore: registered new interface driver qmi_wwan
[    5.664530] scsi6 : usb-storage 3-1.1:1.5
[    5.665879] scsi7 : usb-storage 3-1.1:1.6
[    5.667192] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[    5.684654] usb 3-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci-pci
[    5.761694] usb 3-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=1058, idProduct=1042
[    5.762929] usb 3-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5
[    5.764126] usb 3-1.3: Product: Elements 1042
[    5.765324] usb 3-1.3: Manufacturer: Western Digital
[    5.766504] usb 3-1.3: SerialNumber: 575832314542315A32323635
[    5.768306] scsi8 : usb-storage 3-1.3:1.0
[    5.842767] usb 3-1.5: new high-speed USB device number 5 using ehci-pci
[    5.944850] usb 3-1.5: New USB device found, idVendor=045e, idProduct=0779
[    5.946067] usb 3-1.5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[    5.947227] usb 3-1.5: Product: Microsoft® LifeCam HD-3000
[    5.948383] usb 3-1.5: Manufacturer: Microsoft
[    7.089108] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
[    7.093823] input: Microsoft® LifeCam HD-3000 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.5/3-1.5:1.0/input/input14
[    7.094947] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[root@MudPark:Journals] #
Second: output of
Code:
[root@MudPark:Journals] # dmesg | grep sd
[    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro vt.default_utf8=0 vga = normal
[    0.000000] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro vt.default_utf8=0 vga = normal
[    0.247346] Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).
[    3.296885] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 1953525168 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB)
[    3.297004] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4096-byte physical blocks
[    3.297111] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[    3.297177] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
[    3.297193] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[    3.299694]  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 sda9 sda10 sda11 >
[    3.300219] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[    3.568713] EXT3-fs (sda1): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)
[    3.569052] EXT2-fs (sda1): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)
[    3.616557] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[    5.680446] Adding 10239996k swap on /dev/sda9.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:10239996k 
[    5.817147] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[    6.675865] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[    6.774057] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] 976769024 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[    6.776047] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
[    6.777069] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 47 00 10 08
[    6.778138] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present
[    6.779158] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[    6.783156] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present
[    6.784171] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[    9.224926] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[    9.232848] EXT4-fs (sda3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[    9.258097]  sdc: sdc1
[    9.263903] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present
[    9.265008] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[    9.266055] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk
[root@MudPark:Journals] #
Thanks kindly for your help man!
 
Old 07-24-2013, 11:32 AM   #7
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Welcome.

Looks like your drive is a western digital, and it is detected as drive sdb and sdc.

sdc has a partition on it, and it might be mountable. So,..

check to make sure it is in fact not mounted:

Code:
mount
if it is not listed there then you can mount it with:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/external_drive
mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/external_drive
 
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:40 AM   #8
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Quote:
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for monthly backups just edit your crontab to something like:
Code:
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh --delete --progress /home /mnt/external_harddisk/
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh --delete --progress /etc /mnt/external_harddisk/
00 00 1 * * /bin/rsync -varh --delete --progress /and-so-on /mnt/external_harddisk/
Important caveat for novice rsync users: the above commands will delete files and directories at destination which do not exist at source. Be careful with the --delete switch.
 
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:43 AM   #9
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output of
<mount>

Code:
[lebec@MudPark:~/Journals] $ mount
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
/dev/sda2 on /var type ext4 (rw)
/dev/sda3 on /home type ext4 (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
gvfsd-fuse on /home/lebec/.gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=lebec)
[lebec@MudPark:~/Journals] $
Just wondering what the temp file sys tmpfs on /dev/shm is?
and also gvfsd-fuse on /home/lebec/.gvfs type
Never seen either before

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:45 AM   #10
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Gezley,
thanks kindly for input; *always* like to hear from you;
duly noted
 
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Welcome.

Looks like your drive is a western digital, and it is detected as drive sdb and sdc.

sdc has a partition on it, and it might be mountable. So,..

check to make sure it is in fact not mounted:

Code:
mount
Though I'm pretty sure that my swap is /dev/sda9

if it is not listed there then you can mount it with:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/external_drive
mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/external_drive
This one:
Code:
mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/extermal_drive
returned:
Code:
# mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/external_drive
/dev/sdc1 looks like swapspace - not mounted
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[root@MudPark:Journals] #
However, I'm pretty sure that my lswap is located at /dev/sda9
But then looking at output of <mount>
it doesn't look as if lswap is mounted at all:
i can only see 3 partitions /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3, my root, var and home slack partitions respectively ...huh, interesting

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/dev/shm is volatile shared memory
fuse is explained here: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/...sd-fuse.1.html
 
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szboardstretcher,
actually, what i wish to do before all else is:
restore from a previous backup, made months ago on Ubuntu,
ie: to get the data on the western back onto my slack installation
 
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szboardstretcher,
actually, what i wish to do before all else is:
restore from a previous backup, made months ago on Ubuntu,
ie: to get the data on the western back onto my slack installation
We're getting unnecessarily bogged down here. First, you need to enumerate the disks you have:
Code:
fdisk -l
(l for list)
Now, let's assume your external disk is /dev/sdc. Let's find out what partitions you have on it:
Code:
fdisk /dev/sdc
Type p to list the partitions on this disk. q to quit. It sounds as though /dev/sdc1 is swap; let's assume /dev/sdc2 is the only other partition on the disk. Mount it as follows:
Code:
mkdir /mnt/externalhdd
mount -t auto /dev/sdc2 /mnt/externalhdd
If /dev/sdc2 is an extended partition, then you need to mount the logical partition instead:
Code:
mount -t auto /dev/sdc5 /mnt/externalhdd
If the external disk is formatted with the NTFS filesystem, you need to mount your partition read-write as follows:
Code:
mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc2 /mnt/externalhdd
 
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:27 PM   #15
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Gezley,
thanks,
I overlooked a very basic thing: i have rectified it by using parted magic to format the external drive thus:
sdc1 through to sdc7

Code:
   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1            2048   204802047   102400000   83  Linux
/dev/sdc2       204802048   409602047   102400000   83  Linux
/dev/sdc3       409602048   512002047    51200000   83  Linux
/dev/sdc4       512002048   976769023   232383488    5  Extended
/dev/sdc5       512004096   665604095    76800000   83  Linux
/dev/sdc6       665606144   819206143    76800000   83  Linux
/dev/sdc7       819208192   976769023    78780416   83  Linux
[root@MudPark:lebec] #

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