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06-10-2013, 09:56 AM
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Bengaluru / India
Distribution: Slackware14.2-64bit on one HDD, Slackware64-current on anotherHDD, VoidLinux on Libreboot laptop
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S6 or Runit, not systemd
Dear Slackers
There is a discussion going around if systemd is inevitable on slackware.
Slackware is better off without systemd.
If really the init system on slackware has to be changed (which I feel is unwanted, unwarranted) I request Patrick Volkerding and other core developers to consider S6 or Runit
Let slackware be unique. With slackware, is Gentoo / Funtoo using OpenRC. Let others go wherever they want
A former Archlinux user. Easy to get 'banned' on their forums. Just talk something negative about systemd, and you are out.
Last edited by san2ban; 06-10-2013 at 10:29 AM.
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06-10-2013, 10:27 AM
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Registered: Mar 2012
Distribution: Slackware, Alma, OpenBSD, FreeBSD
Posts: 538
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How about everybody just stop talking about systemd? :/
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6 members found this post helpful.
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06-10-2013, 10:37 AM
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Registered: Aug 2011
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The only problem with runit is that it is not maintained and nobody is using it.
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06-10-2013, 11:14 AM
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Member
Registered: May 2013
Location: Bengaluru / India
Distribution: Slackware14.2-64bit on one HDD, Slackware64-current on anotherHDD, VoidLinux on Libreboot laptop
Posts: 169
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Dragora Linux uses Runit. The author, Gerit Pape can be contacted on the forums
S6 appears to be active
Last edited by san2ban; 06-10-2013 at 11:35 AM.
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06-10-2013, 11:36 AM
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Member
Registered: Dec 2008
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Distribution: Slackware 15.0
Posts: 631
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On the other hand, we can just keep what we have 'cause it ain't broke !
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8 members found this post helpful.
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06-10-2013, 12:47 PM
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Member
Registered: May 2013
Location: Bengaluru / India
Distribution: Slackware14.2-64bit on one HDD, Slackware64-current on anotherHDD, VoidLinux on Libreboot laptop
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Mark
Right, only in the case of eventuality, I said. Hope Pat's thought's remain same as you said.
In one of his posts, I thought that I sensed a bit wavering, so...
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06-10-2013, 06:37 PM
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Member
Registered: May 2010
Location: Stumptown
Distribution: Slackware64
Posts: 583
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Quote:
Originally Posted by san2ban
Dragora Linux uses Runit. The author, Gerit Pape can be contacted on the forums
S6 appears to be active
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Dragora is pretty neat, but it's very immature still. It doesn't even ship with cryptsetup.
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06-10-2013, 07:06 PM
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LQ Guru
Registered: Jul 2011
Location: California
Distribution: Slackware64-15.0 Multilib
Posts: 6,560
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If it became necessary, I'd like to see how OpenRC could be implemented on Slackware. However, RUnit and S6 seem viable as well due to their concept of being UNIX oriented and friendly. Slackware aims to be UNIX-like, not Red Hat, Ubuntu, or Other-Linux-like.
Systemd just isn't too stable or well conceived to be a viable alternative to the BSD-derived SysVInit we use. It's Alpha-ware. Patrick already has a history of ONLY using stable and trusted software within Slackware so that's more than likely to remain the state of the system.
There are at least about a dozen or so Init systems that are far more developed and admin friendly than systemd is as it's still Alpha-Class software and realistically nowhere near stable or reliable enough for a production level OS for server or desktop systems..
BootScripts, DEMONS, eINIT, Initng, launchd, mudur, Solaris's System Management Facility, System Starter, Upstart, OpenRC, Classic BSD-Init, even BusyBox's Init. And there are probably more.
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06-18-2013, 10:43 AM
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Member
Registered: May 2013
Location: Bengaluru / India
Distribution: Slackware14.2-64bit on one HDD, Slackware64-current on anotherHDD, VoidLinux on Libreboot laptop
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Small correction regarding Dragora GNU/Linux. Selk (Matias. A. Fonzo), Maintainer of Dragora, has confirmed (over the mailing list and on IRC at freenode) that in the Dragora GNU/Linux 3.0, SysvinitV + Perp would be the init system, perp provides the supervision
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12-15-2017, 04:26 AM
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Member
Registered: May 2013
Location: Bengaluru / India
Distribution: Slackware14.2-64bit on one HDD, Slackware64-current on anotherHDD, VoidLinux on Libreboot laptop
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Obarun, which shipped with runit earlier, has changed over to S6 init system. Further development with runit is halted, as per the info on their website
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1 members found this post helpful.
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12-15-2017, 06:50 AM
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LQ Addict
Registered: Nov 2008
Location: Paris, France
Distribution: Slint64-15.0
Posts: 11,154
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Let me quote Patrick Volkerding:
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Debating systemd... the Slackware version of Godwin's Law.
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there:
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Let's not have another one of those threads, OK? Save it for when we switch to systemd.
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Nothing to add.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 12-15-2017 at 10:26 AM.
Reason: s/quite/quote
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3 members found this post helpful.
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12-15-2017, 08:28 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: Jul 2016
Location: USA
Distribution: Slackware64-Current
Posts: 1,827
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Quote:
Originally Posted by san2ban
Obarun, which shipped with runit earlier, has changed over to S6 init system. Further development with runit is halted, as per the info on their website
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What does this have to do with Slackware?
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12-15-2017, 08:46 AM
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Guru
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,404
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyC7
How about everybody just stop talking about systemd? :/
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Agreed.
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12-15-2017, 08:51 AM
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Senior Member
Registered: May 2008
Location: Romania
Distribution: DARKSTAR Linux 2008.1
Posts: 2,727
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I see you guys seriously enjoys the archeology.
How about to try your skills in Egypt? They still try to find the Tuthankamon's mommy...
For gods sake! You just revived an FOUR years old, dead an buried thread!
Last edited by Darth Vader; 12-15-2017 at 08:52 AM.
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1 members found this post helpful.
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12-15-2017, 08:53 AM
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Guru
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 7,404
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vader
For gods sake! You just revived an FOUR years old, dead an buried thread!
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The OP revived the thread.
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