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The International Standards Organization created ISO 8601 back in 1988 which made YYYY-MM-DD the official global standard. But each country still has their own standard and may or may not use the ISO standard in normal usage. |
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Edit: Sorry for hijacking the thread! Should have started a new topic... |
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The ISO standard is the "global standard", however, that doesn't mean that each country uses that standard (just as metric is the global standard, but the US uses its own customary units and the British use a mix of both). |
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Cython-0.29.4
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Suggestion : base the partition selection on the file system type instead of the partition type in SeTDOS.
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Rationale: as the purpose of /usr/lib/setup/SeTDOS in the installer is to populate /etc/fstab in the system to install, include partitions with a file system that mount can handle, regardless of the partition type.
Patch attached, against /syslinux/initrd.img found in a -current mirror as of today. The list is given by "cat /proc/filesystems|grep -v nodev", so msdos, vfat and ntfs. PS For Slint and as done in the patch I will exclude all ESP, not only the one that will be mounted on /boot/efi, case occurring (it will be included in SeTnative anyway). IMO there is no point mounting by default additional ESP. The user can always mount them manually, if need be. |
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In Australia, New Zealand, and everywhere I deal with in Europe (many countries), all use DD MM YYYY |
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I just hate seeing dates in MM DD YYYY or DD MM YYYY format online since it is unknown what method they're using (although, you might be able to guess if they have their location listed in their profile). If someone writes they're using a -current build from 04/09/2018, are they talking about April 9th or September 4th? Trying to diagnose problems could depend on the date (if there were major changes announced in the changelog in July that could help determine what their problem was). If it is written as 2019/04/09, Apr 9, 2019, or 9 APR 2019, there is absolutely no question what date they're talking about. |
How the Military do?
I guess that the certain dates are quite important for Military, and if the President orders to tomahawk-ize someone's airbases on September 4th, will be quite bad if the Military will do it on April 9th by mistake. |
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alias ll='ls -l --time-style=+%F\ %T'But when giving the day-of-week too it is more logical to use DD MM YYYY like the %c option does for me: Thu 31 01 2019 |
I got used to seeing yy.ddd from my time on mainframes. I still think it's a good choice as a simple identifier for when month and day of month have no significance. Besides, where space allows you can always pander to people who can't be bothered to work it out with something like:
$ date -u '+%Y-%j %R %Z (%b %d, %A)' 2019-033 10:36 UTC (Feb 02, Saturday) Months are just meaningless and arbitrary constructs of variable length. Time we did away with them I say! ;) |
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that is what I as going to say, day month year is US Military, it is one of the things they do to the people in the military to try and "brain wash" them into staying in. Most everything is named differently and done the opposite way of civilian life, so some or the ones that have a hard time adapting to new ways of doing things find it hard to cope with life if they get out, so it increases the changes of them staying in because they've become institutionalized to the military way of life, then you have the ones that cannot seem to break away once a marine, always marine, it is the only thing they can identify with. is another mild example of this effect. That is the psychology behind the reason for them switching almost everything between military and civilian life. Why are they doing this in Linux, humm... makes me wonder.
and they use 24 hour time too, and there is no such thing as, 2400 hrs, it's 0000 hrs. count it off and see for yourself. |
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i think nedit would be a good text editor to be included with Slackware, it's only dependency is motif and it features syntax highlighting, execute commands and commandline, split pane, and spell checker,
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And the way they do the date is specifically to ensure that multinational troops can effectively communicate and not list 04/09/2019 as some planned exercise and have half the groups show up on April 9th and the other half on Sept 4th. Marines might be a bit more gung-ho in becoming a brotherhood, but it certainly isn't brainwashing unless the Marines choose to be. I know plenty of Marines who are totally normal civilians once they get out, and as a recruiter for the Air Force, I've seen plenty of Marines (as well as the other branches) try and come back into the military through the Air Force because of the benefits, and they aren't brainwashed either. The "psychology" behind switching things is to ensure proper, quick, effective communication. If you're trying to yell 2 o'clock on the radio, are you talking about 2AM, 2PM, or the direction that enemies are coming from? If you say 0200, 1400, or 2 o'clock, then the person knows exactly what you're talking about without having to question it. Really, there isn't that much that's different between military and civilian life. I've been in for almost 12 years and I can still converse with people and I almost always use 2AM or 2PM when I talk to people about time unless it is to someone about a specific military thing, like this plane is expected in at 1400. What else do they try and switch? In basic training they might have you make your bed, fold your clothes, or line up your shoes a certain way, but that isn't to try and brainwash you and make you do that for the rest of your life, it's to ensure you're able to follow simple instructions and that you have attention to detail. Some may decide to keep that method of making their bed, folding their clothes, and lining up their shoes, but it certainly isn't required. Once I was at my first base, they would just occasionally come in and inspect my room to make sure I wasn't living like a slob, and that was only while I was in the dorms (other branches call them barracks). Once I was on my own (with the military paying me money for my housing), they weren't authorized to come to my house unless I invited them, and it certainly wouldn't be for an inspection. The people who have a hard time adapting to civilian life are ones that have a hard time adapting to *anything* new. They just didn't have a choice but to adapt in basic training, so when they convert back to civilian life, there's nothing forcing them to adapt/adjust except their desire to, which if they don't have that desire, then they struggle to adapt. And some people really enjoy the camaraderie that is hardly ever seen outside of the military, and there's nothing wrong with being proud of what you've accomplished. |
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People that incorporate the military life into every aspect of their lives. |
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The military isn't the cause, it is people who allow something to consume their life. And they can allow anything to consume their life... it doesn't have to just be the military. And the amount of people who do this are few and far between. There's even plenty of military pages out there that make fun of them, like https://www.reddit.com/r/JustBootThings/. These type of people are the exception... it is not common for this to happen. |
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lets not forget all of the experiments they did and do on military people the US Government is not innocent of this. |
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btrfs-progs-4.20.1 NEED PATCH
https://github.com/kdave/btrfs-progs...ment-458320281 PATCH --> https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/p...es/btrfs-progs |
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Do you realize how many people get out after their first enlistment? Usually more than half. According to that article, which links to this study, in 2008 only the Army and Air Force sit in the 40s (42 and 47 respectively), while the Navy is at 26% and the Marines are at 34%. If we go back to 2000, the Army ranges from 24%-42% of first term retention, Navy is 21%-42%, Marine Corps is 19%-36%, and the Air Force is 33%-52%. If they really wanted more people to reenlist (and they were having problems reaching their goals), they would throw out more money with reenlistment bonuses. But, at least in the Air Force, those are few and far between. I've never gotten one with my 2 reenlistments. And sure, there was experimenting done with soldiers decades ago (last I could find anything on was in 60s and 70s with LSD), but do you have any proof it's happening now? Because I certainly haven't seen any signs of it. I get my annual flu shot, but they don't care if I get it from the base or go to a local CVS and then just show proof of it at the base, so it is highly unlikely they are using it as some crazy experiment. Or is this just coming from conspiracy land? |
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Besides there are many editors already present in slackware(joe,nano,vim/gvim,emacs,kate...), i think what's missing for many users is an graphical/easy-to-use but still somehow powerful editor, if kde isn't the desktop(no "kate" editor). Maybe "pluma" from mate-desktop would fit for those. |
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nedit-ng although it does depend on qt5
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My vote is for someone who knows to remake the antix isosnapshot source into a ncurses slackbuild maybe their usb remastering scripts too.
Tried building from source but requires qt5 which is too big I think. and their persist scripts etc BTW linux-live, slackware-live, etc dont work very well or mostly not at all. https://github.com/antiX-Linux |
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I like nedit, but I think it's an old enough piece of software such that Pat would have already considered including it and decided not to. Just speculating.
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This may have been suggested already, but in the opposite direction from adding new stuff or updating, perhaps Slack 15 would be a good place to drop some cruft? I don't know exactly what, but there must be some zombie packages somewhere.
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Haha, I understand the sentiment towards removing certain things... But removing emacs is out of the question! And I say this as a staunch, hardcore vi guy.
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You fail to see what psychology they are using, money saved is money saved in having to retrain others to take the places of the one that do not stay. For one thing, and they do not want to keep them that are in it only for the money, they are wanting the ones they can control easier by their psychology that they "need a place that makes them feel like they belong, and have a hard time readjusting to the civilian life. they will fall into place and follow orders without questing them no matter what, making them easier control because that is all they know and it is all they can ever know. the become the little puppets on a string to be manipulated how ever the higher ups deem necessary, ollie north, he was just following orders, and they used him for a patsy. after the atomic age, and what radiation does to people. A small town somewhere in USA a family of 8 children, all of them mongoloids, everyone of them, that is statistically impossible. further investigation show that "someone' planted depleted uranium through out the town square and other various areas in the town. to see what the long term effects would be on people exposed to depleted uranium over a long period of time. when brought to the USA Government, nothing said, nothing done about it. source: some documentary I seen on TV a long time ago, what other experiments and atrocious is the US Government doing to its people, and other countries that is not talked about or known by the public? go to where it list United States Unethical_human_experimentation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethi...xperimentation |
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But beyond that, you are incredibly misinformed. There is no big push in trying to get people to reenlist (short of the critically manned career fields that are hurting for people, and that is where reenlistment bonuses come in). Once their enlistment is coming to a close, they can either choose to reenlist or to separate (or retire, if they've been in long enough). They may get a supervisor or mentor to talk to them to make sure they're making a proper decision, but there is no huge push to try and get people to reenlist. In fact, the military can't have everyone reenlist, because they don't have enough manning positions for it. Having worked with all the branches of military over my almost 12 years of service, I've never heard of anyone being coerced into reenlisting or to try and get talked out of reenlisting. Out of the 50 or so people I worked with daily at my first base, I think there's probably only 10 of us serving now. (Out of the ones I keep in touch with, the ones who have gotten out seem to be doing plenty well for themselves in a civilian world and don't seem to be suffering from any "brain washing" the military did on them. And if they were wanting these people so bad, it would be a lot easier to have members who got out rejoin the service. But I can tell you that the Air Force hired a little over 30,000 active duty members last year, and only 500 or so were "prior service". Seeing the process for prior service applicants, it is extremely difficult to get them back in the military, even if they just separated due to their original enlistment ending and they just chose to not reenlist (having a reenlist code of 1 meaning they're fully qualified for reenlistment). I have to break that news to a lot of prior service applicants that it is very difficult to get back in and it may not be a job they're interested in doing (since we typically only accept them into critically manned fields). And to trounce this idea even further, the military has changed the old retirement system to the new Blended Retirement System, lowering the pension for serving 20 years from 50% of your base pay to 40% and then offering up to 5% matching into that member's Thrift Savings Plan (TSP - a 401k-like retirement account). They offer the matching because they realize that many members won't be staying in until retirement and this still gets them some additional benefit beyond only what the member saves. So, for people who come into the military now, their benefit of retiring has dropped almost $500/month if they retire as a E-7 with 20 years (E-7 with 20 years is $4797.60/month, so the old system would give them $2398.80/month retirement and the new system would give them $1919.04, a difference of $479.76). Now, I wouldn't say they changed this to encourage people to *not* retire, but rather realizing that many people don't stay for 20, and taking that extra $500/month and instead using it to match contributions into 401k-like savings, it allows members who don't see 20 years to still get something towards retirement. Quote:
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Anybody has an idea on why was bittorrent removed from extra? I don't need it, don't miss it, and I don't object. Just curious...
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I think because it was unmaintained since ages: beside the historical value (that was the original client written by the bittorent protocol creator), today there are a lot more modern and more maintained clients out there (my personal choice is an headless transmission, but YMMV).
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Its basic economics of the American way (other countries too) all based off psychology. final note: Military personal are paying themselves. The people in the military are paid by federal tax dollars, Military personal pay federal taxes, therefore they are being paid by the same money that they are paying federal taxes with. Hence they are essentially paying themselves to be in the military. try to wrap your head around that one. :D |
Wouldn't we all benefit if Slackware got significantly trimmed down:
There is that one point where from one can just fire up slackpkg or sbotools and get to install a complete category, environment or suite without too much effort (thanks to hoorex and other dependency scanning tools) I can imagine KDE and XFCE being shipped separately and not used at all in certain (more than just few?) cases. Since Gnome was dropped, there is no point claiming Slackware is bound to any particular desktop environment over any other. Maybe we are not ready for that yet? Maybe we are? |
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mate slackbuild is ok for those that like the gnome2 fork (mate) i tried it and it was okay i have not seen a Trinity Desktop Environment slackbuild scripts collection, it is a fork of KDE3, which i liked when KDE2.x and KDE3. was part of slackware, i liked KDE2 and KDE3 but KDE4 just did not feel right to me, (to me its not KDE anymore) its something else, so if it was up to me, kde4 would be dropped and i know somebody else wont want that so i am done making suggestions for slackware, because as soon as i do somebody else will want to invalidate my comment because of their preferences being different than mine i will let Pat V and his crew of slackware developers do their work and hope for the best |
is that not known as meta packages where everything to do with that one desktop is associated with it and if you want to include only one thing of it say the text editor or file manager for example you have to install everything else along with it, and visa versa if you want to remove one item everything must go? buggers I hate meta packages. but to have an option to remove the entire thing or not and visa versa would not be a bad thing if they are not all hard tied together to do so.
or simply the way everything is installed, say I only wanted a few things that KDE uses installed and not KDE itself, then to just select them few items they would be installed along with the deps needed to make the work without having to go though every package and picking them out separately which could take a long time before the actually install process gets started. |
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