release cycle (revisited)
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I'm sticking with Slackware since 1995, I like the philosphy, but wonder about the last dilated release cycles. I mean if the target group is mostly old-timers + a few adventurous types, that's ok. But many newbies will be seriously put off if they try out the last "stable" version and their system will fail to install a boot loader to NVME, or, if they manage to fix that, the system stays off-line after reboot because the kernel won't detect their recent gigabit ethernet adapter (e1000e). I know there is a backlog of things to do, and we're all happy for every patch and fix PV and the team develop or adopt from other enthusiasts, but hw/sw development has expanded and cycles have shortened compared with 20 years ago. I greatly appreciate focus on stability and relatively conservative view on adding new features, but having release cycles over 2 years as a norm would de facto turn Slackware into a rolling distro. But hey, maybe it's all in the distro name... :) |
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Should we all chasing whatever new while drinking our kool aid? As far as I know, not everything new means better :) Having _stable_ systems _is_ a big deal for _me_ (and the systems that i care about) Not only slackware is stable, but compiling a kernel and using it for newer hardware _is_ much more straight forward and successful to do compared with any other (big) distros. The same is true for updating and _recovering_ for almost every single package of the whole dstribution. Moreover almost all of the time everything just works, provided some common sense. KISS :* |
Go over to the Ubuntu forums and look at how much trouble people have with the supposedly well-tested LTS versions that are released every two years during the first several months after a release. I'll stick with a distro that releases a new version when it's ready, thank you very much.
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Maybe not change the release cycle but add the latest LTS Kernel to extra for the most recent stable release after a period in Current. The 4.14.XX series is stable enough to do that.
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Sure, but I described a different problem above, it was not about you or me. If you cannot serve a bootable system in your last stable version, many new users will look elsewhere, even to Ubuntu. So yes, maybe occasional upgrade to kernels/bootloaders would be safe or even beneficial in most situations. For example, in 14.1 a forced security update from 3.10.17 to 3.10.107 seemed to have solved occasional hangs for me while starting X. But the change should preferably be done to the original installation tree, for example, after a certain period spent in patches/packages. |
And what’s wrong with that?
Not every distro must cater to the lowest common denominator. |
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it is obvious that since some time, with the 14 release, the release Slackware cycles became longer, notable longer. look it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Releases this has some effects, the OT mentioned NVM and new network hardware. It must be OK to discuss this without such, not very productive, polemic comments. |
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And personally, I like the release cycle of Slackware. Have you seen the release cycle of some distro's like Linux Mint? they've only been around since 2006 and are getting ready to release number 19. That's just crazy if you ask me. |
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I have to agree with another poster though - you take the cake out of the oven once it's ready. One of the good things I like about Mint is that although they stick to a general schedule based on Ubuntu LTS, they won't release a new version until it's ready rather than choosing and sticking to a specific date. |
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The release cycle becomes longer and longer because the operating system itself because more and more complex.
Heck! The 4.0 release shipped KDE and it still installed under a freaking 1GB! Now we are over 10GB, last I checked. So, we are 2 years away from the 14.2 release, and the Plasma5 was not yet adopted, while Eric swears that it will be part of 15.0 ... Did you really believe that our BDFL will adopt Plasma5 (which is roughly a third part of distro, as number of packages) on the last 100 meters before 15.0 release? Myself nope. So, I bet on a current release cycle of 3 or 4 years long and in future it will become even longer. I believe that the single solution to have shorter release cycles is to cut down the main distribution, specially putting the future Plasma5 in its own repository, officially sanctioned or not. ;) |
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So, what do we do? We just admit to ourselves that Linux lags behind when it comes to support of the most modern hardware? Just try to relax while waiting for things to settle down a bit and become stable? Which will coincide with the next release of Slackware. :p
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