question for Slackware developers about systemd

TobiSGD · 02-25-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

It's not paid for by Red Hat, but I do believe it does have some level of sponsorship which is entirely different. Projects under LGPL and GPL can get sponsorships for things like repository space, website hosting, and other "contributions" to the project.

It's a borderline ethical practice really, but it's legal and doesn't break the license(s) or rules of FOSS.

This post does not make any sense at all.
Would you please provide the parts of the licenses you mention that state that direct payment is not allowed?
Would you please give me a link to the site and/or organization that decides about the "rules of FOSS".
Would you please provide an explanation why sponsoring an open source project that is (L)GPL licensed is "borderline ethical practice"?

enorbet · 02-25-2014, 02:59 PM

It is my understanding that Lennart (and iirc Kay as well) are now paid by RedHat and specifically as lead developer of systemd... and yes, I recognize that some corporations do make charitable contributions not just for a tax shelter but it seems to me they will check carefully to see that donations are spent not just to line the pockets of the management but to do some good. Since I have yet to get a solid answer on what good systemd hopes to provide, other than unification for unifications' sake (which further begs the question under whose control?) I have to wonder just what return RedHat expects for their investment. Is that so crazy?

Also I know all this speculation is tiresome as most of us just wish it would go away regardless of which side you take. I am equally sure many in the crowd thought the kid who stated "But the Emperor has no clothes" was just a buzzkill. C'est la vie. C'est la guerre. Atrocities get committed when people don't stand up against them. Some do anyway, but many can't stand the light of day.

At the very least all this space taken up by snarling and gnashing of teeth has surely prompted many to see for himself what the fuss is about and more than one person to tell another and another and some who can do something about it, whether influence voting or find alternatives.

Somebody has to see this as a forming vacuum that nature abhors, begging for a niche filler.

Didier Spaier · 02-25-2014, 03:30 PM

As some of us could feel a bit lost trying to follow this interesting discussion, let me state as a synthesis of the opinions expressed so far what, I think, can be considered the current consensus:

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But, as Cicero's opinion slightly differs, let's quote as well what he had to say on this topic in "De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" here:

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and there:

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qweasd · 02-25-2014, 03:54 PM

If you like the lucid analysis by Didier, but want to know more, read this academic paper, which discusses these topics in great detail. Or, if you have hard time following the paper, check out the complimentary slides.

Didier Spaier · 02-25-2014, 04:23 PM

Following qweasd's post, I gathered some answers issued by experts to that existential question:

"Why did the chicken cross the road?"

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RENE DESCARTES: To get to the other side.

PLATO: For his sake. The Truth is on the other side.

ARISTOTLE: It is in the nature of the chicken to cross the road.

KARL MARX: It was historically unavoidable.

SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an act of rebellion which fully justifies that we have dropped 50 tons of gas above.

HIPPOCRATE: Due to an excessive secretion of pancreas.

ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken’s side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the new Poultry Integration Model (PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken’s people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting opened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken’s mission, vision, and core values. This was conductive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken exchange to become more successful. Thanks for your attention.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross the road without having to justify their act.

MOSES: And God came down from heaven and He said to the chicken: You have to cross the road. And the chicken crossed the road and God saw that it was good.

RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road, I repeat, the chicken did NOT cross the road.

Niccolo Machiavelli: The important thing is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why ? The end in itself crossing the road justifies any reason whatsoever.

SIGMUND FREUD: The fact that you were concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your strong sense of latent sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES: We have just to develop the new " Chicken Office 2000 ", which will not only only cross roads, but also incubates eggs, rank your important files, will facilitate your access to Internet , etc.

OLIVER STONE: The question is not " Why does chicken cross the road? "But rather," Who crossed at the same time as the chicken, which we overlooked in our haste and really observed this passage?"

CHARLES DARWIN: Chickens, through long periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are genetically prone to cross roads.

ALBERT EINSTEIN: That chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends on the referencial in which it is located.

BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature.

TOMAS DE TORQUEMADA: Every chicken having crossed the road and returned back will be considered relapsed and will be handed over to the Inquisition.

GALILEO GALILEI: And yet, it crosses...

ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain.

ZEN: The chicken can cross the road in vain, only the Master knows the sound of her shadow behind the wall.

JOHN RAMBO: Colonel? I missed one!

Lionel Jospin: The chicken did not cross the road yet, but the government is working at it.

C. de Gaulle: Chicken may be crossing the road, but it has not yet crossed the highway!

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY: The reason is, but you do not know it yet. Through the modest sum of 10,000 $ per session, plus renting a polygraph, psychological analysis enable us to discover.

THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: Because the end of the world will soon be on his side.

VIM Duisenberg: Soon, it's not a chicken cross the road, but 0.176986453 EuroChickens.

BILL GATES (2): How far will he go?

BILL GATES (3): This is part of the migration process to Windows 98. To install Windows 98, Windows 95 user all must disguise himself as a chicken crossing a road. Like that, just for fun .

SCOTT MAC Nealy (CEO SUN ): We just announced the upcoming availability of the Java API Chicken 1.24, which corrects the shortcomings of the Java API 1.23 Chicken published there three days. It allows you to program the chickens 100% pure Java, so they can cross any road, regardless of coating. SUN has already established partnership agreements with major road builders who have acquired the license for the Java API Chicken. They soon propose implementations of the API on any kind of road, from country road to the expressway.

BILL GATES (4): Microsoft has released a pre-release of the preview beta of Visual Chicken + +, Java compatible Chicken, but with improvements: Unlike Java Chicken, feathers are replaced by hairs, legs by casters, and the spout is provided with teeth. The only supported roads are MSRoad 98 and MSRoad NT.

COMMERCIAL IBM We propose to build a technical infrastructure for the chickens to cross roads. A cluster of 5 servers massively parallel fault-tolerant, connected by an FDDI network with 10TB RAID array should suffice. On the software side, it will supply a hundred DB2, Visual Age Netview and licenses, as these products are fully aligned to the needs of road crossing, with a minor adjustment to men 25 years service (price: 3,000 $ / day ).

AN ENGINEER MERCEDES-BENZ: We use chickens for our tests because they are cheaper than elks.

BILL CLINTON: I SWEAR on the constitution that nothing has happened between me and this chicken.

FATIMA: Because the chicken is modest, and that modesty is an essential quality to progress.

BAIN & Co: Because he had no choice, it was between 14:00 and 17:00.

Darth Vader · 02-25-2014, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Didier Spaier

As some of us could feel a bit lost trying to follow this interesting discussion, let me state as a synthesis of the opinions expressed so far what, I think, can be considered the current consensus

I strongly disagree! There's why:

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Nam non arcu ornare, tempor lorem vitae, pellentesque purus. Curabitur faucibus dolor sed pellentesque blandit. SystemD imperdiet sagittis tortor in dictum. Duis feugiat, neque id dictum commodo, neque metus dapibus tortor, eu pellentesque diam justo at quam. Nunc risus turpis, porta vel luctus eget, porta ut lectus. Etiam viverra non nisl vitae fermentum. Quisque consequat nisl eu mi varius, at blandit lacus tincidunt. Praesent placerat augue et gravida euismod. Nulla facilisi. Vestibulum vel SystemD molestie, tincidunt tortor in, vehicula nisl. SystemD placerat vitae quam vel lacinia. In sit amet ipsum massa. Duis mollis nisi a arcu blandit varius. Sed non accumsan velit. RedHat blandit nisi sit amet diam iaculis varius.

Proin pulvinar malesuada neque at porttitor. Cras viverra tellus non mi accumsan convallis. Nam condimentum, urna quis ultrices cursus, nisl nisi ornare eros, sit amet interdum urna mi sed nisi. Aliquam at hendrerit lacus, vel euismod dui. Vestibulum non urna a nulla adipiscing convallis. Phasellus molestie, mi id cursus tristique, nisl neque hendrerit leo, nec tincidunt justo risus ut dolor. Integer sit amet neque sagittis, vestibulum SystemD vitae, volutpat lacus. SystemD a odio eu ipsum pretium tincidunt malesuada a massa. Pellentesque a imperdiet erat, ac condimentum nunc. Maecenas luctus scelerisque pulvinar. Proin mollis neque laoreet lectus adipiscing convallis. Nam sed lectus egestas, cursus dui vel, pulvinar massa. Suspendisse potenti. Nam rutrum, diam ut ultricies pulvinar, urna neque rhoncus enim, ac tincidunt ligula urna sed tellus. In iaculis facilisis enim, vitae posuere odio dapibus non.

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Nunc feugiat venenatis vehicula. Quisque sed SystemD dignissim, gravida augue eu, cursus dui. Nulla eu enim sit amet metus ultricies ultricies. Nullam commodo justo in nisi varius vulputate. Fusce tristique porttitor nunc, eu ultricies nulla convallis et. Etiam non consectetur libero. Aliquam vel pretium neque. RedHat facilisis tempor felis, ut posuere dui tempus vitae. Integer pellentesque, ante sed vehicula venenatis, est felis condimentum neque, vitae convallis sapien orci sit amet neque. Duis scelerisque, massa sit amet gravida gravida, leo est hendrerit mi, non sodales nulla urna venenatis felis.

Morbi et eleifend dolor. Vestibulum a diam turpis. RedHat faucibus lorem a neque ornare tristique. Praesent non felis imperdiet, ultricies neque in, fermentum purus. Fusce aliquet, metus id luctus sollicitudin, nibh nibh volutpat lorem, eget vestibulum urna est at nisi. Fusce et tincidunt lorem. Proin luctus quis purus in lacinia.

Curabitur vitae ante et elit dictum varius. Phasellus ac bibendum est, in venenatis nulla. Aliquam erat volutpat. Vivamus sem eros, tristique in nunc sed, mattis cursus erat. SystemD sit amet consectetur mi. Integer viverra odio vitae nunc accumsan, sed aliquet massa imperdiet. Morbi auctor nunc ut sapien sollicitudin varius. Praesent volutpat ipsum et lacus accumsan adipiscing. Vestibulum sit amet velit velit. Fusce vehicula ante SystemD, sagittis suscipit orci ornare vitae. Aenean porttitor massa id nibh faucibus suscipit. Proin quis metus a quam scelerisque commodo.

Duis erat diam, venenatis accumsan porta ut, sodales a felis. Etiam elementum lectus vitae velit pretium bibendum. Phasellus laoreet eros vitae ipsum posuere hendrerit. RedHat aliquam non justo eget pulvinar. Etiam cursus diam sed neque ultrices ullamcorper. Integer lacus tellus, pulvinar at neque quis, mollis tempor nunc. Nam purus enim, egestas non scelerisque non, auctor vulputate urna. Maecenas ac nisi risus. Curabitur vel SystemD quis elit elementum euismod id vitae arcu. Vivamus et neque tempus ante euismod ornare vitae vel nibh. Sed quis lorem quam. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Praesent feugiat justo non risus gravida, quis feugiat lectus semper. Aliquam hendrerit sem eros, eu egestas diam porta et. SystemD consectetur massa sed tellus sagittis, quis imperdiet lorem condimentum.

Sed viverra ligula nunc, sit amet viverra orci tempor quis. Interdum et malesuada fames ac ante ipsum primis in faucibus. In bibendum convallis mi, eu lacinia ante aliquet non. Nunc aliquet, nisl non lacinia sodales, dui arcu sagittis neque, eu tristique nunc arcu eu tortor. Sed id adipiscing sapien. Quisque hendrerit eu nulla at malesuada. Pellentesque tincidunt dictum metus, at tristique neque ultrices et. Quisque nec ante pulvinar, tristique nisi id, tincidunt dolor. Phasellus sodales, felis id pretium porta, orci lorem pellentesque nisl, eget porttitor lorem sapien eget nisi. Nulla interdum semper ultricies. Nam lacinia faucibus ligula et vehicula. Maecenas quis arcu sagittis, tincidunt urna quis, mollis eros. Proin ut tincidunt turpis. In non enim vel tellus mollis semper in gravida ante.

Vivamus quam SystemD, condimentum pellentesque gravida nec, fermentum non tortor. Maecenas fermentum risus sit amet rutrum elementum. Cras ac magna vel nibh volutpat dapibus. Etiam eu pretium dui, et pretium libero. Morbi porttitor eu ligula eu cursus. Phasellus dictum augue eget vulputate tempor. Praesent adipiscing augue purus, id blandit nunc commodo quis. Fusce tempor vitae nisl vel eleifend. Maecenas bibendum tempus nulla quis volutpat. SystemD adipiscing sapien nec arcu scelerisque tempus. Proin hendrerit porta elit, vitae venenatis quam aliquam sed.

Phasellus posuere pharetra odio a vehicula. Suspendisse feugiat SystemD id SystemD mollis blandit. Integer fermentum convallis lobortis. Sed pellentesque urna a odio placerat, ac tempus purus facilisis. Cras luctus interdum tortor, placerat porttitor diam sagittis in. In eu erat rutrum, aliquam ipsum sed, congue sem. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Nunc elementum lorem eget risus facilisis, nec vestibulum nisl vehicula. Maecenas ultrices pulvinar eros id feugiat. Sed ligula magna, tempor vel fermentum at, porta nec arcu. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Duis est leo, dictum nec dignissim ut, molestie consequat urna. Aliquam erat volutpat.

Quisque malesuada erat congue tortor adipiscing, eget adipiscing eros hendrerit. Duis aliquam orci vitae enim hendrerit, in viverra erat ultrices. SystemD porttitor nisl nisi, eu placerat mi congue non. Cras ac egestas sapien. Vivamus at urna mattis, tempus diam eu, eleifend dui. In mi quam, commodo at diam sit amet, condimentum facilisis arcu. Praesent eget libero a metus aliquam lacinia eget in nisl. SystemD sollicitudin commodo magna, in mattis lorem volutpat sit amet. Proin aliquam turpis dolor, sed molestie risus laoreet in. Sed leo nibh, tincidunt sit amet lacus ut, porttitor aliquam tortor. Aliquam bibendum pharetra bibendum. Aliquam eu velit et ante lacinia consequat. Nunc at quam id lacus facilisis vestibulum.

Ut posuere nisl leo, eu viverra lacus tempor a. Pellentesque neque SystemD, laoreet non iaculis a, faucibus sed sapien. Etiam id adipiscing eros, cursus imperdiet erat. Maecenas vitae commodo orci, vitae placerat purus. Nullam rhoncus sem vitae urna facilisis commodo. Aliquam eu elementum nulla, eu feugiat nisl. Etiam non velit at felis adipiscing porta eget ac tortor. Vestibulum pellentesque risus eget nunc semper mollis.

Duis eu aliquam elit, ac porta dui. Proin varius SystemD nec neque mattis tristique. Aenean nec mi elit. Nam at purus erat. Aliquam ultrices, lorem eget varius luctus, nibh nisl dapibus lacus, et dapibus magna leo non nunc. Vestibulum nec enim et elit condimentum blandit. Aliquam pellentesque ligula sed tellus commodo interdum. Ut eu neque auctor, accumsan odio at, cursus justo. Praesent interdum tortor faucibus SystemD posuere pretium. Ut cursus vulputate ante, nec laoreet neque bibendum at. Fusce a faucibus quam. Nunc pretium faucibus auctor. Fusce molestie mattis lacus.

Phasellus fermentum tristique lorem non gravida. RedHat et congue lectus. Aliquam venenatis luctus libero, vel lobortis lacus scelerisque vitae. Integer non enim fringilla, molestie nisl vel, convallis tellus. Vivamus quis leo sed massa pharetra tristique sit amet eu lacus. Vivamus faucibus aliquet nibh a placerat. Curabitur ac lorem adipiscing, pellentesque risus id, sodales leo. Proin at fermentum nisl. Nunc in mi at metus tristique vehicula. Curabitur eget tempus mi. Praesent nec cursus libero, eu consequat dui. Duis ultricies laoreet tristique. Vivamus tincidunt consequat est, nec elementum enim auctor pulvinar. Nam viverra, sem id pellentesque condimentum, quam magna venenatis dolor, et faucibus nunc quam eu quam.

Suspendisse egestas risus ut porttitor faucibus. Duis fermentum egestas tempor. In felis mi, congue vel neque eu, fringilla sagittis justo. Aliquam id tortor consectetur, facilisis elit nec, eleifend SystemD. In semper SystemD laoreet ligula venenatis, vel interdum purus feugiat. SystemD sed tempor ipsum. Suspendisse imperdiet est non magna aliquet sollicitudin. Quisque dapibus erat eu ante tincidunt dictum. SystemD ultrices nibh in sodales dictum. Quisque semper laoreet nulla, sed commodo eros. Aenean lobortis risus dolor, non dapibus lorem dapibus eget. In nec dictum neque, ac pretium lectus.

Nullam vitae elit arcu. In ullamcorper faucibus consectetur. Aenean tempus venenatis enim. Vestibulum sit amet auctor SystemD, euismod ornare quam. Fusce sit amet SystemD ultricies, sagittis quam a, varius dolor. Aliquam pretium tempus velit. SystemD pretium malesuada neque, eu aliquam metus viverra in.

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Praesent ut risus dui. Vivamus eget congue lacus. RedHat quis tempus nisl, ac condimentum arcu. Maecenas non nisl euismod, vestibulum est in, fermentum leo. Maecenas vestibulum enim neque, a tincidunt tortor faucibus in. Integer iaculis vel diam in ultrices. Nunc urna nisl, volutpat eget volutpat vel, condimentum a justo. Integer consectetur commodo ante, non venenatis metus feugiat in.

Quisque ornare orci non arcu rhoncus, malesuada eleifend lorem imperdiet. RedHat tristique convallis porta. Sed rhoncus, odio eget congue dignissim, ante purus consectetur mi, congue tincidunt diam massa id metus. Sed accumsan odio et arcu rutrum, ac volutpat sapien elementum. Vestibulum vulputate massa a mi euismod imperdiet. Fusce semper sed tortor sed sagittis. Aenean volutpat blandit accumsan. Phasellus egestas, diam sed congue eleifend, lorem ligula tempus erat, nec vulputate magna dolor sed dolor. Morbi eu nunc malesuada, sollicitudin elit sit amet, pellentesque libero. Proin ultrices nulla vitae leo fringilla, non gravida odio ultricies. Proin dictum congue tortor, eu luctus eros tincidunt et. Phasellus in tincidunt purus. Sed convallis SystemD ante, vitae convallis ante iaculis a.

TracyTiger · 02-25-2014, 05:09 PM

We're finally making some progress with this systemd discussion.

astrogeek · 02-25-2014, 05:37 PM

While I enjoy humor and thought Didier's quotations were mostly cute, I would not want the excess multi-lingual verbiage to end up with this thread being closed.

I recognize that some do not take the level of discussion here seriously, but others, including myself do think it is potentially a very serious development on the Linux front.

If the thread were closed it would be taken by some as just another silencing of opinions that we think have merit.

So, please, let's minimize the off-topic entertainment a bit.

TobiSGD · 02-25-2014, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrogeek

While I enjoy humor and thought Didier's quotations were mostly cute, I would not want the excess multi-lingual verbiage to end up with this thread being closed.

I recognize that some do not take the level of discussion here seriously, but others, including myself do think it is potentially a very serious development on the Linux front.

If the thread were closed it would be taken by some as just another silencing of opinions that we think have merit.

So, please, let's minimize the off-topic entertainment a bit.

Not to mention that the LQ language is still English and posting in other languages, especially such walls of text, is not appreciated.

55020 · 02-25-2014, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD

Not to mention that the LQ language is still English and posting in other languages, especially such walls of text, is not appreciated.

How about anagrams of 'Lennart Poettering'?
wordsmith.org has 88238 of them. My favourites are:
'Integrate Lent Porn', which is nearly topical,
'Eternal Tor Net Ping' -- the symptom of an overloaded exit node, and best of all,
'Ripen Rotten Tangle', which would make a great release name for systemd-210

ReaperX7 · 02-25-2014, 09:42 PM

You missed:

Tangent Interloper

turtleli · 02-26-2014, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruario

Congrats ReaperX7, I think your unending complaining about Systemd might eventually have some effect. You are slowly but surely changing people's perception of the situation. For example, very often you make me wish I was in the pro-Systemd camp.

I think it already has had an effect.

When bartgymnast made his thread on systemd SlackBuilds I thought it was a rather interesting idea. At the time I wasn't really motivated to test the implementation since I was rather busy with life in general. What did motivate me to find time, however, was the amount of love (or more accurately, constant derailment) his thread received. I'm currently far too busy to do further testing, but I did actually help fix a minor issue. So we can, to some extent, thank ReaperX7 for helping out in the systemd on Slackware effort.

EDIT: @ReaperX7 - Would you mind answering TobiSGD's questions in post #106? Your post makes no sense to me either.

ReaperX7 · 02-26-2014, 02:09 PM

I don't feel the need to explain myself so if you want to go research stuff on your own time please do. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

Just for the mentally impaired I've never said I was against a proper implementation of systemd, if it can properly be done with minimal incursion into the OS.

You also should realize that systemd will not be the only alternative init we've had for Slackware. Runit has been in the SBo repository for a long time, but nobody ever took the time to draft a script set for it specific to Slackware. All that was given was the documentation to use it as a service manager and replace Slackware's rc-init with trial and error.

It's nice we'll have two extra init programs, but only if properly done. We don't need another init system halfway done and then dumped back on the public with just documentation to guide out the rest. Bart's efforts have been substantial and well envisioned. He's really doing a great job. Yes, I don't like Lennart or Red Hat, but they're an evil we just have to live with, shrug off, and put in their place.

TobiSGD · 02-26-2014, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaperX7

I don't feel the need to explain myself on FOSS and GNU so if you want to go research stuff on your own time please do. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

That is not how it works. You make claims about "rules of FOSS", sponsorships that may break licenses and "borderline ethical practices", so you back up your claims when asked. Just saying "Google it" does not count at backing up your claims.
If you are not able or willing to back up your claims you disqualify yourself from any serious discussion.

ReaperX7 · 02-26-2014, 02:37 PM

Fine... All I said was "contributions" to a project can come in many forms, but regardless of source or reason, they're still contributions.

Now is that the answer you wanted?

Now care to comment on the rest of my post or was that all that needed cherry picking?