Hi,

As I stated in that thread 'If you use 'Alien_Bob's-script -mirror-slackware-current.sh' the check is performed'. I agree that a check for a valid burn would be a good idea as I know this problem exists and newbies do a have a lot of trouble because of it.

Time would be the issue but that check to me would be insurance.

I like almost everything on slackware, except:
* installation (setup): no possibility to install or select packages from the extra series directly.
* installation (setup): also no possibility to setup wireless internet, which is getting more and more common.
* no bootsplash -you have to do a lot of 'tricks' to get a nice bootsplash working; and i can't imagine i am the only one who likes some eye-candy. It would be nice if it was just a possibility and not only for tweaks. You can still find unofficial patches for the kernel to get this thing compiled-in, but some official supported stuff would be better. I agree that it's totally unnecessary, but that are also the penguins you see by start-up. So why no option for a bootsplash?
* dependency tracking... installing third-party software can give problems with dependencies. (on this point I like Salixos, on the other hand: when you have a problem with some soft/hardware there's no better forum than slackware, you get quick, professional answers (if you RTFM and RTFF ))

If you want a bootsplash, you want Pat to patch the kernel for a useless feature, introducing possible bugs and removing the 'vanilla' state of the kernel that makes compiling a custom kernel so enjoyable on Slackware. I vote strongly against this.

If you want dependency tracking, I don't even know why you use Slackware...if Slackware gained dependency tracking I may stop using it altogether, unless it can be firmly disabled. There are many other distros out there that provide good, solid dependency tracking, and you would be much better suited using one of them. If I had to use a dependency-tracking distro it would be source-based like gentoo or Arch.

Just my opinion of course...

Hi,

That's why it's called /extra. You can as a user do a install from that directory selectively by personal choice(s). Slackware is not a hold your hand distro and I hope that PV & Team remain building the system as they do.

This one could be done without too much effort. The use of standard equipment block or series would be one way with proper identification. The big stop would be newer hardware and no driver available but this to is settling with standard chipsets.

The one thing you are not seeing is the potential security risk here. I would prefer to not be active when a type of security is to be used and the entry of a pass code. The steps to select the means of control is another potential problem. I see loads of posts where posters don't even understand elementary wireless setup. Now you want a automated setup. Way too many potential problems.

Why break something for eye candy? Security and potential boot problems.
I hope your joking here? If indeed you like and use Slackware then the obvious should jump at you. Installing third party can be difficult but not impossible. That's one of the reasons in having tools like 'pkgtools', 'Slackbuilds' and 'slackpkg' to aid in our installs. We build and share!

I'm sure every distro have things that need to be changed in a user perspective. But Slackware allows a user to change at the level of true control. If a mistake is made by that user then the means to revert are there. I do agree with:

Not really things I dislike per say but personal preference. I would still like to see multi-lib in /extra. And it's taking me a few days to get GSB installed and configured how I want it. I have never really cared for KDE.

Again those are just personal preference, I honestly can't think of a single thing I dislike about Slackware. I used to think it was dependency checking but once I got over my fear of compiling my own software and what to look for if something doesn't compile right, then it was smooth sailing.

Onebuck:

About installing the extra series: you are right, slackware is not a hold your hand distro, but still : why not just an option in the setup:
"do you want to install packages from the extra series?" and then " select the packages you want". Just as a service...?

About the bootsplash:
You say "Security and potential boot problems". I don't see the problem( I'm not a guru, so don't blame me! ). What is the security problem for a bootsplash? I hear more people saying this, but without an argumentation. When a bootsplash is really so dangerous, why do have so many other distro's a bootsplash? And: I ask only for the option to install a bootsplash, not that you must do it. I have a bootsplash and I never had boot problems with this; and when I want to see the messages I can hit escape. As I -and you also- said: It is useless, but that are also the two penguins you see or not?

I must agree with your point about wireless, I realize that this thing is bigger than just a 'few simple questions during installation'.

Dependency-tracking: yes, that's true what you said about this. I work with 4 different linux os (but 90% of the time slackware ) and I was a bit to hasty when I typed that... I did look too much to salixos ...
Please don't blame me for the points I mentioned, I like slackware. There is asked what you don't like about it, so I mentioned my things. You don't have to agree with these things of course!

Les chats

Les amoureux fervents et les savants austères
Aiment également, dans leur mûre saison,
Les chats puissants et doux, orgueil de la maison,
Qui comme eux sont frileux et comme eux sédentaires.

Amis de la science et de la volupté
Ils cherchent le silence et l'horreur des ténèbres;
L'Erèbe les eût pris pour ses coursiers funèbres,
S'ils pouvaient au servage incliner leur fierté.

Ils prennent en songeant les nobles attitudes
Des grands sphinx allongés au fond des solitudes,
Qui semblent s'endormir dans un rêve sans fin;

Leurs reins féconds sont plein d'étincelles magiques
Et des parcelles d'or, ainsi qu'un sable fin,
Étoilent vaguement leurs prunelles mystiques.

Charles Baudelaire

--

There is nothing I don't like about Slackware, but at time of log in "fortune" never output the poem I prefer.

This is now fixed

The penguins are included in the kernel by default when using a framebuffer device (one penguin per CPU or CPU core). These are in the mainline kernel, and thus do not require any patching at all. I believe you can remove them with a kernel configuration option but there is really no benefit to doing that. As far as I know, there is no bootsplash in the mainline kernel, so to add it you must patch the kernel source. This is too much work for a meaningless task IMO, but on a more practical level introducing code into the kernel that is not necessary introduces possible bugs or security vulnerabilities that are not present in vanilla kernel sources. You now have to keep an eye on both the bootsplash patches and the kernel sources for bugs and vulnerabilities, and there is always the possibility of kernel version conflicts with any patches that are applied.

For simplicity's sake, it is far better to stick with a vanilla kernel IMO -- Slackware is one of the few distros that allow you to build a vanilla kernel without having to patch it and I prefer it this way.

Hi,

Nice prose! But we do speak English as per the LQ rules.

Hi,

If you want that ability then work on it. It would certainly be a good experience. But to do it by hand is very easy via 'pkgtool'/'slackpkg'. Hint...Hint. Add in a little 'bash' then you may have a delectable final product to use repeatably.

I'm not blaming you for anything! The question(s) are valid. To have the bootsplash as others have also pointed out you will need to patch the kernel: first potential problem that may open the kernel to undue risk(s). Other distro tend to lock the user to a set thus a controlled (semi) environment. This doesn't mean the kernel is not vulnerable by having potential risks or even invasive areas that will allow a knowledgeable black hat to get access at sometime. But be aware this is not the only potential risks. Anytime you have a patch, you had better be sure to check it out via sigs & hash. If knowledgeable then view & debug the code. There are loads of Slack users that apply bootsplash, I'm a purist as there's no need for eye candy. Tux is enough.
No need for the work required to get it and to not have a clean kernel.

It well come but not just yet. I personally setup wired initially for security reasons then wireless where appropriate.

No blame, that's why we have the forum to share views and ideas along with good healthy exchange of knowledge. Sometimes things can get heated when the personality shows it's head. But good intelligent exchanges are healthy and beneficial to all. To agree or disagree is another story.

Let me google® translate it for you:

This thread reminds me of that thread we had a while ago, "Features you would like to see in Slackware", or whatever. Deja vu.

Hi,

brianL, that's the first thing I did was to translate. 'prose' defined for you. Doesn't change the rule that we post in English on LQ.

Thanks BrianL.

Onebuck, you seem to be confusing verse versus prose.

And there is no need to remind us twice a rule we are aware of. I knowingly didn't satisfy it, so what ?

As a side note, Charles Baudelaire was not only one of the greatest French poets of nineteenth century, he was also the best French translator ever of Edgar Allan Poe.

Of course he could write English better than I do -- not a big challenge, alas -- and may be even better than you, who knows ?

Take care,

Yes, he doesn't know his derriere from his coude (as we say in Oldham).