Packages from the 1990s and 2000s

allend · 08-08-2019, 11:29 AM

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There is nothing wrong with old working code, but the source not being updated in a decade implies that no-one is likely using them.

I like bpe as it is simple to see a hexdump of a file.
xv is a useful viewer and our BDFL has a sentimental attachment through his input.
todos/fromdos are useful to me.
keymaps have no need for updates.
Simple programs that do the job do not need updates.

Alien Bob · 08-08-2019, 12:25 PM

Ignorance is bliss.

dugan · 08-08-2019, 12:41 PM

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Code:

Jun 15  1997 a/bin/todos.tar.gz

This is absolutely still useful and important.

Tonus · 08-08-2019, 01:29 PM

I don't think it would be a good idea to remove tar.

BTW I use often xv to check image files from cli and as said, PV already stated he will not remove it.

And, last but not least, if it just works... Do not fix/remove it!

EdGr · 08-08-2019, 01:31 PM

The packages need to be reviewed individually. Some are still useful, but others are not (or similar functionality is provided by currently-maintained packages).

The lack of an update is just a clue that a package may not have users...

Ed

dugan · 08-08-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonus

I don't think it would be a good idea to remove tar.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember hearing that pkgtools depends on the behavior of that old version of tar?

Lysander666 · 08-08-2019, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EdGr

The packages need to be reviewed individually. Some are still useful, but others are not (or similar functionality is provided by currently-maintained packages).

I personally believe that Pat knows what every single package does and has full cognisance of their relevance to the distribution. I doubt very much that some packages are just lying there derelict.

This is why clean-system exists in -current, and I'm sure that 15.0 will be trimmed accordingly.

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Originally Posted by EdGr

The lack of an update is just a clue that a package may not have users...

Ed

No, the lack of use-cases is a clue that a package doesn't have users. Some packages don't need to be updated because there is no improvement necessary. I just discovered Spider Solitaire because of this thread, not updated since 1993 - and it runs absolutely fine.

Also I use the xscreensaver 'rocks' on my netbook because it is extremely low resource. That hasn't been updated since 1992, I wouldn't like it to be removed just because it's old.

GazL · 08-08-2019, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lysander666

I doubt very much that some packages are just lying there derelict.

Well, "amp" could probably go. Just how many ways do you need to play an mp3 file?

Back in the day, it was my go to for mp3 playback but I doubt I've used it in a decade.

So there you go. We just saved a whopping 130K! Woot!

dugan · 08-08-2019, 02:26 PM

libmad is there for xmms.

Everything else should be using LAME.

GazL · 08-08-2019, 02:59 PM

Amp is a standalone I believe:

Code:

readelf -d /usr/bin/amp | grep NEEDED
 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libm.so.6]
 0x0000000000000001 (NEEDED)             Shared library: [libc.so.6]

And also, broken:

Code:

$ amp Tracey\ Ullman\ -\ Life\ is\ a\ rock.mp3 

amp 0.7.6, (C) Tomislav Uzelac 1996,1997
THIS PROGRAM COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
PLEASE READ THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DETAILS

Playing: Tracey Ullman - Life is a rock.mp3

Properties:    stereo 44100Hz
Coding Method: MPEG1.0 layer3
Bitrate:       128kbit/s
Segmentation fault
$

segfaults at end of playback. Probably doesn't like id3v2 tags (which weren't introduced until 1998).

Lysander666 · 08-08-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GazL

Amp is a standalone I believe
...
And also, broken:

Hmm, you may have a point.

Code:

lysander@lysultra-vi:~/Music/Siebenburgen/Delictum$ amp 09_A\ Dream\ Of\ Scarlet\ Nights.mp3 

amp 0.7.6, (C) Tomislav Uzelac 1996,1997
THIS PROGRAM COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
PLEASE READ THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DETAILS

Playing: 09_A Dream Of Scarlet Nights.mp3

Properties:    stereo 44100Hz
Coding Method: MPEG1.0 layer3
Bitrate:       96kbit/s
Unable to open the audio device

GazL · 08-08-2019, 03:11 PM

pulseaudio? Even though it goes tits up at the end, it plays ok on ALSA.

edit: actually, I've tried a few other files, and it's segfaulting all over the place.

seems ok if I decode/reencode with lame, so it must be something in the files that's upsetting it. I've had them years, god knows what created them originally.

drmozes · 08-08-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EdGr

There is nothing wrong with old working code, but the source not being updated in a decade implies that no-one is likely using them.

That may be one implication, but for example I use 'telnet' almost every day, and as someone else said - they're complete.
They occasionally just need a patch every now and then to build with the latest toolchain.

btw, some of the archives (prefixed by '_') you've listed are the old 'framework' archives that were used by some of the first incarnations of the 'SlackBuild' scripts, that usually just creates the directory structure, or contained some config files, or device nodes or something. They're still used by those particular package's SlackBuild.

dugan · 08-08-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonus

BTW I use often xv to check image files from cli and as said, PV already stated he will not remove it.

The program a lot of people are using for that these days, is sxiv.

Labinnah · 08-08-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lysander666

Hmm, you may have a point.

Code:

lysander@lysultra-vi:~/Music/Siebenburgen/Delictum$ amp 09_A\ Dream\ Of\ Scarlet\ Nights.mp3 

amp 0.7.6, (C) Tomislav Uzelac 1996,1997
THIS PROGRAM COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
PLEASE READ THE DOCUMENTATION FOR DETAILS

Playing: 09_A Dream Of Scarlet Nights.mp3

Properties:    stereo 44100Hz
Coding Method: MPEG1.0 layer3
Bitrate:       96kbit/s
Unable to open the audio device

Try use aoss,

Code:

aoss amp some.mp3

it works for me.