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Old 12-07-2007, 02:12 PM   #16
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I hate that "Linux for humans" slogan. What does that say about the rest of Linux users?
Nerds? Geeks?
I don't really care for their slogan and I care even less if everyone will use Ubuntu and me and PV will be the only ones using Slackware. I know what Slackware is, I know it's way(I mean Patricks ways) and that's enough for me. But what I do absolutely love is, when I see an Ubuntu users chin by their feet when they see what Slackware or should I say Linux can do.

I say if you're a "Redmondish lazy type" user install Ubuntu to have everything brought to you on a plate. If you want to learn what Linux is and how it works use Slackware.

But what makes me sick as hell is seeing some "bad ass server" running Ubuntu. Why? Because it's just not a "serverish" type distro. I don't even like using precompiled binaries and packages on a server, because I think that servers should be max optimized and therefor compiled by hand on every machine and then maybe make a package out of it and install it with the PM to make it easyer to remove. Which Ubuntu (server) users don't do.

Just my 0.02$
 
Old 12-07-2007, 02:57 PM   #17
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[..] I suppose I mostly tease Ubuntu because of the typical users it attracts. If someone with a Linux system question were to go up to a Slackware user and to an Ubuntu user typically the Slackware user would more likely know the answer. If a Linux user has to perform some type of system maintenance without a GUI it is more likely that a typical Slackware user would know how than a typical Ubuntu user. It's great that anybody can use Ubuntu; It's giving Linux a stronger place in the desktop market. Perhaps I'm just a little peeved because now a lot of people want to jump on the Linux bandwagon and they never paid their dues and really dug in. But yes, it is stable and simple enough that my grandparents can use it and I don't have to answer questions about it every week.
Hear! Hear!

I, too, am part of the problem. I would dearly love to see Linux unseat Windows, and the only real way to do that is to make it as Windowsish as possible. That rankles me, for the reasons already stated by others above.

*nix has suffered from that... system administrators and users have long feared these types of OSs because of the arcane language that I (we) have actually reveled in. I'm proud to be able to create and understand foot-long regular expressions, but that sort of elitism (sorry, that's not meant to be inflammatory, remember that I'm talking about me, too ) is just not the way to go about creating a larger user base.

Ubuntu is doing the best job of this that I've seen -- they've taken what others have tried to do and actually created something that has a chance of becoming an operating system that game and application developers may see as a viable target platform.

Slackware is by far the distribution that is nearest and dearest to my heart. I use it for virtually all of my business platforms and products, and its advantages to me make it far superior than any other. (bless your soul, Patrick, for hanging in there through the years and all of the personal and professional peaks and valleys)

I use it for firewalls, forum and database servers, storefronts, even an embedded, full-featured digital signage application running on an IDE flash in a nanoATX system (no moving parts at all, pretty cool stuff).

Ubuntu can't do some of those things, and it isn't designed to... and I'm OK with that. What it does do, I think it is doing well.

I find Ubuntu frustrating to use (again, for obvious reasons), but I watch cross-over Windows users marvel at its simplicity. That's a very valuable attribute in the larger context of Linux advocacy.

I hope I haven't hijacked this thread too badly, it does seem to have drifted a bit from the topic... I visited here just because I thought there may be some news that I didn't glean from the changelogs.

Not that I'm unhappy with 12, its the best so far, as usual, but I am looking forward to KDE 4, too.
 
Old 12-07-2007, 05:28 PM   #18
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I would dearly love to see Linux unseat Windows
With respect, I used to think that way but now I really don't care anymore. I'm just grateful for what I have at the moment. If linux does become more and more like windows then what is the incentive to get linux over windows? Just that it's free (as in beer mostly, but as in freedom too should be a better reason of course), or that it can do more than windows. You know just because something is good it does not mean it has to be popular. I'm just glad of having it because it answers my needs as a (amatuer) programmer as well as being a desktop user. I try to show people that I consider friends about linux and sometimes they listen but quite often I just get wound up in some way if I ever discuss any sort of problem I'm trying to solve - 'Well it's really easy to do that in windows' or 'so linux can't be that good for doing <insert whatever applies>'. Call me thinskinned or whatever but forget them and let them carry on with their virus-infected system restored paranoid lives. Let them laugh all they want and I will quietly snigger to myself with every system restore.

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Old 12-08-2007, 03:25 AM   #19
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Hi,

I know exactly what you mean:

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Full story: a month ago I went from Slackware 12 to Ubuntu 7.10 as the
distribution was highly recommended to me.
The last month has been a painstakingly experience in instability and
I plan to revert to Slackware again.
Ubuntu is a great distro but the 6 month release cycle is a little ambitious and there will be breakages. But don't forget that Hardy Heron should be a different story.

Andrew
 
Old 12-08-2007, 11:34 AM   #20
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To get back to the OP's OQ:When will the next Slackware be released?

Basically, the answer is: Whenever it comes out. The Slackware "family" (Seems a more appropriate word. Not many people, comparatively, we argue amongst ourselves over fairly trivial issues, but join together against outsiders...lol) is a different breed. We use Slackware because it ISN'T cutting edge (which to me = breaks more often). And so, we are willing to wait until it is ready. Poppa Pat has kept us happy for many a year, and by and large, we are willing to wait until he deems the next release ready for prime time.

So we wait....and in the meantime, keep ourselves occupied with tweaking our systems, changing the kernel, compiling from source, and letting our boxes run and run and run and run (I have a webserver that has been up for 3 years non-stop, haven't rebooted the box in that long. Try that with the MS family of OS's)....
 
Old 12-09-2007, 01:48 PM   #21
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So ... here I am, writing this on my newly installed Slackware box :-)

Apache + php is the last thing to complete and they're currently compiling.

Ubuntu users: yes, Ubuntu is somewhat great. However it would from time to
time reboot my box for some (to me) unknown reasons. Also, running VMware
Workstation in Ubuntu 7.10 is a no-no ... It may be that the eye candy
in Ubuntu is way better than whatever Slackware can provide but the
stability of the latter is unsurpassed by any disto.

I am happy again ...

(I am still interested in knowing when PV plans to release the next version
of Slackware ... but I will settle with "When it is ready" ;-)

Thanks for all who replied.
 
Old 12-09-2007, 02:57 PM   #22
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...Apache + php is the last thing to complete and they're currently compiling...
You DO know apache 2 is already installed, right?
 
Old 12-10-2007, 02:43 AM   #23
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Yes, absolutely! However, I run a version which matches what my website
provider runs :-)
Also, I have some homegrown php/apache modules which I need to run ...
 
Old 12-10-2007, 10:23 AM   #24
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somewhat related to this thread (which seems to have gone through its cycle)...go check out my thread about what you would like to see in future Slackware.
 
  


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