Originally Posted by shadowsnipes
[..] I suppose I mostly tease Ubuntu because of the typical users it attracts. If someone with a Linux system question were to go up to a Slackware user and to an Ubuntu user typically the Slackware user would more likely know the answer. If a Linux user has to perform some type of system maintenance without a GUI it is more likely that a typical Slackware user would know how than a typical Ubuntu user. It's great that anybody can use Ubuntu; It's giving Linux a stronger place in the desktop market. Perhaps I'm just a little peeved because now a lot of people want to jump on the Linux bandwagon and they never paid their dues and really dug in. But yes, it is stable and simple enough that my grandparents can use it and I don't have to answer questions about it every week.
I, too, am part of the problem. I would dearly love to see Linux unseat Windows, and the only real way to do that is to make it as Windowsish as possible. That rankles me, for the reasons already stated by others above.
*nix has suffered from that... system administrators and users have long feared these types of OSs because of the arcane language that I (we) have actually reveled in. I'm proud to be able to create and understand foot-long regular expressions, but that sort of elitism (sorry, that's not meant to be inflammatory, remember that I'm talking about me, too
) is just not the way to go about creating a larger user base.
Ubuntu is doing the best job of this that I've seen -- they've taken what others have tried to do and actually created something that has a chance of becoming an operating system that game and application developers may see as a viable target platform.
Slackware is by far the distribution that is nearest and dearest to my heart. I use it for virtually all of my business platforms and products, and its advantages to me make it far superior than any other. (bless your soul, Patrick, for hanging in there through the years and all of the personal and professional peaks and valleys)
I use it for firewalls, forum and database servers, storefronts, even an embedded, full-featured digital signage application running on an IDE flash in a nanoATX system (no moving parts at all, pretty cool stuff).
Ubuntu can't do some of those things, and it isn't designed to... and I'm OK with that. What it does do, I think it is doing well.
I find Ubuntu frustrating to use (again, for obvious reasons), but I watch cross-over Windows users marvel at its simplicity. That's a very valuable attribute in the larger context of Linux advocacy.
I hope I haven't hijacked this thread too badly, it does seem to have drifted a bit from the topic... I visited here just because I thought there may be some news that I didn't glean from the changelogs.
Not that I'm unhappy with 12, its the best so far, as usual, but I am looking forward to KDE 4, too.