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I am a heavy user of Firefox across several desktops, a couple of laptops, and my Android phone. I use Firefox sync to retain my sanity with all of the Web passwords I have to use. My question to those who have switched to Pale Moon, I understand that it has the sync capability as well, can you transfer the sync'ed data from one to the other?
(I'm aware that this is probably better asked on the PM forum.)
I think a firefox with gtk+3 will be a forced option in the future, as 53.x doesn't support building against gtk+2 anymore
I personally don't like it that much because of the different way of scrolling via the right position bar: with the gtk+2 version clicking up and down in the bar scrolls like a pager, with the gtk+3 version it goes directly to that position in the page.
when used with pages with progressive loading, like facebook for example, that way of scrolling becomes a little awkward...
This is exactly the reason I've stayed with gtk+2 (for now).
it reminded me why I was using firefox in the first place. It has the old style sane interface, the one with the small, more appropriate for desktop use tabs. It's like a blast from the past (a good one). So far everything seems to work. It is compatible with the firefox plugins i use (ublock origin and noscript), I haven't tested java though yet.
It crashes under KDE if I use oxygen-gtk as the gtk theme, so I had to change it in KDE settings. Other than that, it is exactly how firefox should be. Let's hope that it's stable enough, which it should be since it is based on mozilla sources.
I've been using "Classic Theme Restorer" for Firefox for some time. Yeah, sometimes [ui] change just for the sake of change is, well, nuts.
I just tried it with firefox built against gtk+3.
the parameter is undefined by default so you actually have to right-click on the parameter list and do "New" -> "Integer", set its name to "ui.scrollToClick" and give to it the value "0": this way the scrolling via the right bar behaves like in gtk+2 overriding the default gtk+3 behaviour.
Maybe irrelevant for some, but after seeing a mozilla developer saying that it's my problem that I had telemetry disabled in the browser and that is why they can't officially support my machines anymore, maybe palemoon should be concidered. I have been using firefox for more than 17 years. I enabled telemetry so it sended anymore data they need ... and then went searching and finally installed palemoon from sbo. Really, besides this
it reminded me why I was using firefox in the first place. It has the old style sane interface, the one with the small, more appropriate for desktop use tabs. It's like a blast from the past (a good one). So far everything seems to work. It is compatible with the firefox plugins i use (ublock origin and noscript), I haven't tested java though yet.
It crashes under KDE if I use oxygen-gtk as the gtk theme, so I had to change it in KDE settings. Other than that, it is exactly how firefox should be. Let's hope that it's stable enough, which it should be since it is based on mozilla sources.
Pale Moon crashes every few minutes and is far from usable.
BTW, What about SeaMonkey? Is it a clone of Firefox?
Seamonkey is based on Firefox code. I think Palemoon, too. I am not sure if they are going to be able to just fork and keep developing browser on their own. There are things like W3C compliance, media playback, which are being developed actively. They might be too much for Seamonkey and Palemoon team to keep up with. If they continue borrowing code from Firefox, they might be forced to include unwanted features.
However, I recently tested Vivaldi. It is an excellent browser, very good video playback, fast as Chrome but low on memory consumption. Takes all Chrome extensions. More customizable than Chrome, but still less than Firefox. Almost perfect.
I don't know why so many unwanted features are getting into and around Linux lately. Linux should be small and simple. There are other OS's which are large and complex, so people who needs it can use them. I mean, if you consider analogy with cars, there are models which fit into certain established categories. Like sport cars, family cars, small cars for single drivers mostly, terrain vehicles, SUV's, etc. Everyone buy what they need and don't hate those who are driving other sorts of cars. Why creating a clone of Windows or Mac, when Windows and Mac are available ?
I guess those ideas are coming from corporate environments. I know they are paying developers and provide resources needed, but here should be some sort of balance.
SeaMonkey is a free and open-source Internet suite. It is the continuation of the former Mozilla Application Suite, based on the same source code, which itself grew out of Netscape Communicator and formed the base of Netscape 6 and Netscape 7.
SeaMonkey was created in 2005 after the Mozilla Foundation decided to focus on standalone projects such as Firefox and Thunderbird. The development of SeaMonkey is community-driven, in contrast to the Mozilla Application Suite, which until its last released version (1.7.13) was governed by the Mozilla Foundation. The new project-leading group is called the SeaMonkey Council.
Compared to Firefox, the SeaMonkey web browser keeps the far more traditional-looking interface of Netscape and the Mozilla Suite. Many Firefox and Thunderbird add-ons can be converted to make them compatible with SeaMonkey if they aren't already.
Firefox was kind of a skunk works project in the early 2000s to develop a fast standalone browser. It was originally called Phoenix, then Firebird, and finally renamed to Firefox to avoid conflict with the Firebird database project.
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I guess those ideas are coming from corporate environments. I know they are paying developers and provide resources needed, but here should be some sort of balance.
The Linux distribution world is splitting into two broad camps. Making up the first group are the distributions focusing on more or less commercial success and where a lot of these monolithic balls of software are coming from. The Mozilla people have apparently thrown their lot in with this group.
Making up the second group are distributions that are focusing on the traditional Linux community made up of those wanting a more traditional Linux/Unix system. I think the GNU Project and other community projects also fit in this group.
The Mozilla people clearly want to be a part of the online content delivery business, hence their present focus on supporting DRM (so-called Digital Rights Management) in Firefox. Perhaps I am wrong, but this seems to be an abandonment of Free Software principles as I don't see how the two philosophies are compatible (but I don't want to derail this thread any further).
I am moving back to Slackware as I no longer want to be dragged along further into the world that makes up group 1.
Mozilla Browser & Mail & Composer existed before Firefox, that is true. However, Seamonkey is using rendering engine from recent Firefox. Without it, there would still be HTML4 compliance only.
Don't get me wrong. I prefer Seamonkey to Firefox. It needs less memory to run. I am also using Seafox extension, which makes Seamonkey look like Firefox 3.x, which is my favorite. However, I am very much afraid that Seamonkey don't have resources to develop core browser components on their own, without borrowing Firefox code. I very much wish I am wrong.
The group that you mentioned, one focused on commercial success did not get far, at least as fa as Linux Desktop is concerned. They could have, probably, saved themselves the effort.
What Linux need to become more successful commercially, if that is the goal, are better applications.
I had some AutoCAD experience and I know that Linux/CAD does not come even close to it.
Artists complain about art and multimedia related applications. Especially professionals, ones that create content. I can't verify that, because I am totally dumb for arts. Watching movies and converting GIF's to JPEG's is as far as I got. Yeah, I used old XFig to make diagrams few times.
Games. There are games on Linux, but "heavyweights" are still Windows only (like Fallot 4).
Finding more resources to be allocated to speed up Wine developmentshould help, too.
That would help commercial success much more than third or fourth sound daemon or all-integrated init system.
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