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Old 04-18-2010, 05:13 PM   #1
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Question Motif vs lesstif & png


Hello,

I compiled a software called praat. And I had a few troubles. And during these troubled phases, I wrote to the author. Finaly when I wrote a second email I had told him that I had succeded compiling praat. I had told him that I was running slackware and used lesstif & png. He told me that his version compiled with motif was probably better because lesstif & png are filled with bugs.

Can a senior member second that?

And then, is it possible to install motif on slackware? Instead of using lesstif & png? How do I go about doing so?

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Old 04-18-2010, 06:03 PM   #2
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This whole thing harkens back to the mid-nineties .

All the major Unix vendors were trying to adopt a "standard graphical interface", and the chief competitors were "Motif" vs. "Open Look". Linux barely existed at the time: you could e-mail Linus Torvalds and offer patches or suggestions any time you wanted - and he'd actually respond. Directly! If you wanted to build Linux, you carried your source and binaries around rubber-banded together in a stack of 3.5" diskettes.

But we digress.

"Motif" ultimately won out as the "standard Unix GUI". Just around the time commercial Unix began to implode into irrelevancy (courtesy of the new kid on the block: Linux). Sun's "Open Look" lost the war: but much of the infrastructure was done by James Gosling, who incorporated his work into the "Oak" programming language and set-box TV units (neither of which got any traction) and, shortly thereafter, the "Java" programming language.

Today, Motif is generally considered "dead, dead,dead".

"Motif" always used to be a licensed product. Hence "lestif": a truly open-source alternative to Motif, that you didn't have to pay for.

Since Motif is now little more than a "footnote in history" (more or less completely irrelevant, AFAIK), I wouldn't be at all surprised if you can find a free implementation somewhere.

And if you did, I have zero doubt it's probably more robust than lestif. Try google, or try this link:

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Deskt...if-14944.shtml

Why the praata developers chose Motif - I have no clue. I guess maybe they originally developed their GUI on a Unix platform (like HP/HP-UX or IBM/AIX) that happened to use Motif, and just never had any interest in porting to a different UI.

And whether or not PNG is an issue - I also don't know. If you mean "libpng" (a library for handling .png bitmap files), I'm not aware of *any* issues or problems that might cause you to look for an alternative.

'Hope that helps .. PSM

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Old 04-19-2010, 06:27 AM   #3
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This whole thing harkens back to the mid-nineties .

All the major Unix vendors were trying to adopt a "standard graphical interface", and the chief competitors were "Motif" vs. "Open Look". Linux barely existed at the time: you could e-mail Linus Torvalds and offer patches or suggestions any time you wanted - and he'd actually respond. Directly! If you wanted to build Linux, you carried your source and binaries around rubber-banded together in a stack of 3.5" diskettes.

But we digress.

"Motif" ultimately won out as the "standard Unix GUI". Just around the time commercial Unix began to implode into irrelevancy (courtesy of the new kid on the block: Linux). Sun's "Open Look" lost the war: but much of the infrastructure was done by James Gosling, who incorporated his work into the "Oak" programming language and set-box TV units (neither of which got any traction) and, shortly thereafter, the "Java" programming language.

Today, Motif is generally considered "dead, dead,dead".

"Motif" always used to be a licensed product. Hence "lestif": a truly open-source alternative to Motif, that you didn't have to pay for.

Since Motif is now little more than a "footnote in history" (more or less completely irrelevant, AFAIK), I wouldn't be at all surprised if you can find a free implementation somewhere.

And if you did, I have zero doubt it's probably more robust than lestif. Try google, or try this link:

http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Deskt...if-14944.shtml

Why the praata developers chose Motif - I have no clue. I guess maybe they originally developed their GUI on a Unix platform (like HP/HP-UX or IBM/AIX) that happened to use Motif, and just never had any interest in porting to a different UI.

And whether or not PNG is an issue - I also don't know. If you mean "libpng" (a library for handling .png bitmap files), I'm not aware of *any* issues or problems that might cause you to look for an alternative.

'Hope that helps .. PSM

Thanks. I didnt know anything of what you said. So now I know more.

Cheers,
Dumdadum
 
Old 04-19-2010, 06:39 PM   #4
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Yeah, this is what I said to the author of praat. I basicly told him that I wasnt going to get into a fight over which is better, motif or lesstif & libpng. That I would use my version of praat compiled the slackware way. And that I would use the motif way if the slackware way was buggy. And that if he had a comment to make, that the slackware team was ready to hear his reply.

Well guess what: he didnt respond.

Also, I will be looking forward into testing praat with my rommate. So really, if there are any bugs, someone will hear from me.

Still, I believe in the slackware way...

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