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Old 05-25-2024, 04:26 AM   #61
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You can try to build scribus from the Ponce SBo-git now. The poppler-24.05.patch has been added 4 hours ago.
 
Old 05-25-2024, 04:29 AM   #62
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention the lines on screen which, for some reason, I cannot show here because I cannot attach any files regardless of file-size; https://file.io/IO3vdi1ESxjl. These lines started about 5-6 system updates ago, during one of those kernel/MESA dance.
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Old 05-25-2024, 05:05 AM   #63
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LILO/GRUB detect non-existent partitions.... really strange things!
If you use an initrd, grub will refer to the root fs using UUID. You can also mount other filesystems in /etc/fstab using UUID (or LABEL which is more readable for humans.) If your drives get detected in a different order, the confusion would be avoided.
 
Old 05-25-2024, 06:00 AM   #64
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Definitely hardware and not just the video either. It's actually quite common for hardware problems to come and go in the way you describe for your video card. But the wider problems suggest a screwed-up motherboard to me.
I have been suspecting the motherboard from day 1 and you are probably correct that it's a mix of both.

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So use Debian for the time being. As long as it goes on working, you're OK. If it starts playing up in the same way, get a new machine.
If i wasnt in the middle of a big(ish) personal work project, i would give it a try but i cant afford months of learnig time. Though, i will if 8 get stuck!
 
Old 05-25-2024, 06:18 AM   #65
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If you don't want to learn a new distribution and don't like the shakiness expected to be found in beta and alpha versions of software the obvious choice would be Slackware stable which at the time of this writing is version 15.0.

It seems very likely that your shaky hardware is caused by a bad motherboard. If the motherboard has some bulging or even leaking capacitors it is even more likely that those problems are caused by the motherboard.

However, also a bad PSU and bad add on cards like your graphics card could also cause trouble like this.

Is this your only computer? If not, you might be able to install your favorite Slackware in some other computer, maybe in a virtual machine if that other computer mostly are intended for other purposes? Ordering stuff from China might take months to arrive, at least here in Sweden where I live.

regards Henrik
 
Old 05-25-2024, 08:38 AM   #66
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When you have installed Slackware-current, you also virtually signed for being the Slackware's Beta-Tester and many times, Alpha-Tester. You are supposed to find the issues on the development system and report back.

IF you want a stable behavior of your system, I will strongly recommend you to install a stable release of Slackware, like is Slackware 15.0 .
Dear lord, you sound just like the Debian people:
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Oh, that feature is not in Stable, just use Testing, it's good and stable. Oh, no, you're in Testing now. It doesn't work, the you should have stayed in Stable. It's your own fault, you stupid ungrateful swine.
By that logic, you are stuck with an inferior product. Feh!

That attitude is what I gave up on Debian for good a while ago. Oh, that and the fact that it's a train wreck of kludges and Rube Goldberg styled workarounds. You want an example? Fine, here is one. Install Debian. Now be in your install of Debian. Type "which which" and then follow the rabbit hole.

Anyway, as for the original poster, try a different Linux or a different computer. Void is nice.
 
Old 05-25-2024, 08:41 AM   #67
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Another possible hardware culprit can be a bad stick of RAM. I've had a system become very unstable in that situation.
 
Old 05-25-2024, 04:19 PM   #68
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.p.s.: I didn't save $$ when choosing a desktop case and, according to the tech store, there was nothing wrong with the PSU as they tested it.
Not necessarily a reliable test. The power entering their premises might be cleaner than yours.

I remember one place where I suspected power issues. Sure enough it was the power supply into the building that was giving trouble, not the power supply in the computers. A recycling plant elsewhere on the industrial estate was causing the supply to drop. Same thing with farmers I used to do work for. The milking machines were hooked up to a computer which was supposed to log everything but the milking machines were causing the power to the computer to drop. I was running around trying to fix problems with brand new computers but it wasn't my problem at all. Being tight-fisted farmers, of course, they didn't want to invest in a good quality UPS.

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Old 05-25-2024, 06:30 PM   #69
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Another possible hardware culprit can be a bad stick of RAM. I've had a system become very unstable in that situation.
Yes, those bad RAMs can be really annoying and hard to diagnose. I prefer to buy or build computers with ECC memory, but the advantage of ECC also comes with an extra cost and limits your choice of CPUs.

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they didn't want to invest in a good quality UPS.
Yes, a good UPS does not only protect against complete power outages but also against spikes and temporary lowered voltages.

regards Henrik
 
Old 05-26-2024, 02:29 AM   #70
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Dear lord, you sound just like the Debian people:


By that logic, you are stuck with an inferior product. Feh!

That attitude is what I gave up on Debian for good a while ago. Oh, that and the fact that it's a train wreck of kludges and Rube Goldberg styled workarounds. You want an example? Fine, here is one. Install Debian. Now be in your install of Debian. Type "which which" and then follow the rabbit hole.

Anyway, as for the original poster, try a different Linux or a different computer. Void is nice.
Well, that's how things are with Slackware: "Use -stable". I always did this, however, during the 5.5 years gap I had to move to -current and hated it. Stuff from SBo is not guaranteed to build, despite ponces admirable efforts. Also, Slackware does not ship with tools to check whether something broke after an update. So, yes, he's right no matter whether he sounds like the Debian people or not.
 
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Old 05-27-2024, 01:07 AM   #71
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Not necessarily a reliable test. The power entering their premises might be cleaner than yours.

...invest in a good quality UPS.

I agree wholeheartedly.


I'm not very knowledgeable about the hardware side of things, but I know that an old PSU (or even a brand new one of questionable quality -- which is more and more of them in recent years) can get seriously flakey.

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Old 05-27-2024, 02:48 AM   #72
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or, LILO/GRUB detect non-existent partitions.... really strange things!
Wait, what? Grub does have OS-Prober which does detect partitions and if it is detecting partitions that actually don't exist you have really bad/corrupted tables and need to redo partitioning, possibly replace the drive. LILO does not detect anything except to check the syntax of the partitions you specify as root.
 
Old 05-27-2024, 04:52 AM   #73
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Maybe it is totally off topic, but is there MS Windows on the faulty computer ? If yes, it can be hibernating. In this case every partition created after, for example for installing a new Slackware will be broken when rebooting in Windows. We have to be sure Windows is really shutdown before repartionning.
 
Old 05-27-2024, 06:49 PM   #74
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Yes, those bad RAMs can be really annoying and hard to diagnose. I prefer to buy or build computers with ECC memory, but the advantage of ECC also comes with an extra cost and limits your choice of CPUs.
Faulty RAM is a comparably recent phenomenon. I used to build my own kits 20+ years ago, and I never had any problems with RAM. RAM sticks had a lifetime warranty, and RAM problems were almost never heard of.

After taking a break from hardware tinkering (I found it easier to just buy fully-assembled kit), a few years back I decided to jump back into building my own kit. It was just a side project, and I diddled around with it for almost a year (whenever I had some free time, and spare change). I ended up swapping pretty much everything I suspected, except the fans. It turned out to be dud RAM. The last thing I suspected.

Now, I have memtest86 on a USB stick ready, if I ever decide to build me another kit.
 
Old 05-27-2024, 09:16 PM   #75
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Faulty RAM is a comparably recent phenomenon. I used to build my own kits 20+ years ago, and I never had any problems with RAM. RAM sticks had a lifetime warranty, and RAM problems were almost never heard of.
Not that the plural of anecdote is data, but the first computer I ever built (back in 1999/2000) was frankensteined from a computer I traded (a loaf of bread) with boyfriend at the time (we're still together 24 years later). My boyfriend didn't have any RAM, so it was off to Fry's in Burbank with my best friend in tow. (He--my BFF--was helping me learn computers, since I'd never really used one before then.) The RAM I purchased was bad. (And fortunately they took it back...Fry's was a trip, but their store policies could be weird.)

Anyway, long story short, but RAM did go bad back then. I haven't had a bad stick since, though, so it's probably a lot more rare than urban legend would dictate. Video cards, though...my boyfriend zapped one with static on a dry day. (It was long before the crypto rush.)
 
  


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