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Old 01-01-2019, 04:55 PM   #16
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This is a ridiculous rant. The GTK toolkit is very good, as I can see it used in MATÉ.
But some features in the newest mate version are not possible anymore because of lack of support in GTK3 (see post #2 in this thread). That problem started this thread.

And indeed LXDE has forked into LXQT, switching from GTK to QT.

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Old 01-01-2019, 05:30 PM   #17
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But some features in the newest mate version are not possible anymore because of lack of support in GTK3 (see post #2 in this thread). That problem started this thread.
That's right. But:
  1. Did anyone filed a issue about that here?
  2. The core maintainers are listed there. Who among them is a member of the Gnome team mentioned by Gerard?
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And indeed LXDE has forked into LXQT, switching from GTK to QT.
I have read the history. Let me quote it:
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Even though some people often confuse LXQt as a rewrite of LXDE in Qt, this is not true. PCMan, the original author of LXDE, started experimenting with Qt, first by implementing a GUI for PCManFM in Qt. While doing so he wrote up A Guide for Migrating from GTK+ to Qt where he sums up his experiences.
When he released a preview, some people feared that a Qt-based desktop environment would be too heavy and bloated, so he posted about this too. LXDE was written in GTK+2, but times change and GTK+3 came out. Some people thought that GTK+3 was not good, and that a port to GTK+3 would have been rather bloated, but a Qt version wouldn't be.
So, when the Qt version began, LXDE was, and still is, written in GTK+2, not GTK+3. And GTK3 is not bloated as some people then feared it would be. At least this doen't look like when using MATÉ, which I do 99% of the time.

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Old 01-01-2019, 05:48 PM   #18
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Did anyone filed a issue about that here?
I don't know. In this particular thread, a respective bug report should be filed by a MATE developer. The MATE developers are aware of the issue as shown in the link by Willy. The MATE developers and not everyday users are best equipped to discuss this bug with the upstream GTK developers.

Side rant: As a user, a serious challenge I have with free/libre software bug reporting is the requirement to create accounts on whatever tracking system used by the developers. These tracking systems are almost always designed for propeller heads and not everyday users. I personally have no interest in creating a github or gitlab account to file a bug report. Non technical users haven't a clue how to file a bug report in github or gitlab. Second, users have no way of testing any proposed patches because they do not compile software. Just my two cents.
 
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:58 AM   #19
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I am unable to display desktop icons in MATE 1.20 with the root account. The Slackware version of MATE does not include the MATE Tweak tool to provide GUI controls, but all related options in dconf are enabled.

This seems to be a bug in MATE 1.20 as I tested this in Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with the same results.

I see this in both bare metal and virtual systems. Probably not a video driver issue because the bug does not appear with non-root accounts.

Would some fellow MATE users please confirm?

I have MATE 1.16 installed on 14.2 and do not see this bug. At the moment I do not have a system to test 1.18.

BTW, is there no other way in Slackware to configure desktop icons other than through dconf-editor?

Thanks.
 
Old 04-14-2019, 12:41 PM   #20
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I have mate-1.18 installed (it is the default desktop on Slint64-14.2.1.2) with mate tweak. I started it at root, just to check (never did that before) and desktop icons do not show, although enabled in mate-tweak.

You should be able to use gsettings instead of gconf, but I fail to see why you'd get a different result than with dconf.

As an aside I fail to find a purpose to run a graphical environment as root, but that's your machine.

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Old 04-14-2019, 12:45 PM   #21
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mate-tweak is available under testing/ directory
 
Old 04-14-2019, 12:53 PM   #22
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I have mate-1.18 installed (it is the default desktop on Slint64-14.2.1.2) with mate tweak
Do you compile your own mate-tweak package?

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I started it at root, just to check (never did that before) and desktop icons do not show, although enabled in mate-tweak.
Looks like the bug might have been introduced in 1.18 then.

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As an aside I fail to find a purpose to run a graphical environment as root, but that's your machine.
Thanks. We're all adults and Slackers here. No need for anti-root hysteria and frothing.
 
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:15 PM   #23
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Also noticed the desktop "right-click" menu does not appear with the root account. Probably related. Can someone affirm?

I'm downloading the 1.22 packages and will test.
 
Old 04-14-2019, 04:45 PM   #24
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Do you compile your own mate-tweak package?
I compile all packages stored here, but a very few exceptions: http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/slint/

The sources are there :http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/source/

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Thanks. We're all adults and Slackers here. No need for anti-root hysteria and frothing.
Neither hysteria nor frothing was implied in the (genuine) question you quoted. I just fail to see the benefit of doing that, so maybe answering could have helped me to learn a use case I was not aware of. But if you do not want to answer a question, next time just ignore it.

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Old 04-14-2019, 07:53 PM   #25
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I don't use root for normal activity, so i can't test that nor i will test that situation, but i can confirm i can disable/enable desktop icons using mate-tweak here on 1.22 with latest mate-tweak i just pushed few days ago.
 
Old 04-14-2019, 08:22 PM   #26
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There is no desktop icon problem with non root accounts. Just root. And no, I don't normally use root this way in production. I use root this way in testing systems to see what breaks and when suspecting permissions issues for non root users.
 
  


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