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Old 12-30-2018, 01:19 PM   #1
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MATE 1.20 and Current


In the Control Center -> Apearance -> Themes, Customize dialog, I no longer see a Colors tab. Is this correct or am I missing some kind of dependency?

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Old 12-30-2018, 05:56 PM   #2
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Yes, it has been removed.
Detailed explanation is in this issue
 
Old 12-30-2018, 07:35 PM   #3
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Yes, it has been removed.
The GTK3 devs strike again -- the usual fuster cluck.

Of course, not your fault Willy.

Are there any work-arounds?

For example, I like to use a pink background (#FDD9E6) as a reminder in apps that I open as root user. Some apps provide a built-in reminder, such as Thunar, but for me the colored background is more obvious.
 
Old 12-31-2018, 01:28 AM   #4
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Well, since it's not supported by the toolkit itself, there's nothing the developers can do about it.
 
Old 12-31-2018, 10:46 AM   #5
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Well, since it's not supported by the toolkit itself, there's nothing the developers can do about it.
Well, since it's not supported by the toolkit itself, there's nothing the MATE developers can do about it. The GTK3 devs are a different story.

Sorry for the snarky thread. Just an example why sometimes users get cycnical about free/libre software. You get what you paid for -- "ain't broke then reinvent the wheel until broken" seems to the motto of the GTK3 devs. Of course, "GTK3 devs" is a nice way of saying GNOME devs.

Thanks to you and Chess for your efforts.
 
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Thanks to you and Chess for your efforts.
Chess Griffin is no longer maintaining MATE SlackBuilds, so it's just me now
 
Old 12-31-2018, 12:12 PM   #7
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Thanks nonetheless to both of you.
 
Old 12-31-2018, 12:15 PM   #8
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You get what you paid for -- "ain't broke then reinvent the wheel until broken" seems to the motto of the GTK3 devs. Of course, "GTK3 devs" is a nice way of saying GNOME devs.
Isn't also that the reason for why Darth Vader gone on rants about Plasma5, so many times? Apparently, this behavior is not specific only to the GNOME devs.

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Old 12-31-2018, 12:28 PM   #9
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Isn't also that the reason for why Darth Vader gone on rants about Plasma5, so many times? Apparently, this behavior is not specific only to the GNOME devs.
Except KDE developers aren't QT developers. They just use the QT toolkit and can only use what the QT devs put out. When the QT devs EOL QT4 for QT5, KDE developers either stick with an older unsupported version or they migrate to the newer version.

GNOME and GTK are both done by the GNU project.
 
Old 01-01-2019, 12:15 AM   #10
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GNOME and GTK are both done by the GNU project.
In fact GTK is a spinoff of the gimp project, the name used to stand for
Gimp ToolKit
Of course gimp and gnome are some of the many projects under the GNU umbrella.
 
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:38 AM   #11
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In fact GTK is a spinoff of the gimp project, the name used to stand for
Gimp ToolKit
I actually didn't know that. Wikipedia has more info on that:

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GTK+ was originally designed and used in the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) as a replacement of the Motif toolkit; at some point Peter Mattis became disenchanted with Motif and began to write his own GUI toolkit named the GIMP toolkit and had successfully replaced Motif by the 0.60 release of GIMP.[35] Finally GTK was re-written to be object-oriented and was renamed GTK+.[36] This was first used in the 0.99 release of GIMP. GTK+ was subsequently adopted for maintenance by the GNOME Foundation, which uses it in the GNOME desktop environment.

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK%2B#Linux_Unix
 
Old 01-01-2019, 03:29 AM   #12
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I actually didn't know that. Wikipedia has more info on that:
BTW: the GDK library is gimp-derived too, the abbreviation stands for Gimp Drawing Kit.
See this wikipedia page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDK
So both these libraries are not directly related to the gnome project (although gnome does make use of them, of course).

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So both these libraries are not directly related to the gnome project (although gnome does make use of them, of course).
Except that they are mainly developed by the GNOME Project.

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GTK+ is mainly developed by The GNOME Project, which also develops the GNOME Development Platform and the GNOME Desktop Environment.
 
Old 01-01-2019, 12:55 PM   #14
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Except that they are mainly developed by the GNOME Project.
Gnome hijacked Gtk for their own ends, and trampled all over the wishes of other teams dependent on Gtk - Xfce and Lxde, for example. If Gtk is mainly developed by the Gnome team today it's because everyone else gave up on it. Xfce, unfortunately, are too deeply committed at this stage to Gtk, and have to submit to the Gnome diktats or die.

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Old 01-01-2019, 03:30 PM   #15
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Gnome hijacked Gtk for their own ends, and trampled all over the wishes of other teams dependent on Gtk - Xfce and Lxde, for example. If Gtk is mainly developed by the Gnome team today it's because everyone else gave up on it. Xfce, unfortunately, are too deeply committed at this stage to Gtk, and have to submit to the Gnome diktats or die.
This is a ridiculous rant. The GTK toolkit is very good, as I can see it used in MATÉ. Qt can provide more bells and whistle but is way behind GTK in some fields, like one which matters to me: accessibility to the blind users. As a result accessibility of MATÉ is second to none among Linux desktops.

As an aside, strip from your Slackware all software developed under the Gnome umbrella (list here) and see what happens

Also, not all the software they host are managed by them: for instance the Orca screen reader is developed by Joanmarie Diggs from Igalia and I can tell you with certainty that she is the only person who makes decision for Orca.

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