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Old 05-09-2019, 07:19 AM   #136
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I haven't tried Aass beer, only varions Macks and they didn't impress. The fact that we went through Sweden beforehand might have had something to do with that. If/when we visit again I hope I'll remember to check Aass as well
If you're going to try some Aass [this jokes never gets old, sorry], have a go with Aass Fatøl. It's OK but it's not great. If you want some really decent beer from Norway, I'd check out whatever's on offer from Nøgne Ø brewery.

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Hmm, I could try another 486 (this time with VL-Bus, not PCI); in fact this was my own computer after that 386, so it does have some sentimental value I hope it still works - I think I only started it once this decade. Another option would be a 386SX but I can't fit more than 4MB of RAM in it (I only have 1MB 30-pin SIMMs and it only has 4 slots) and I know it to be slow (16bit datapath, no cache at all). I was thinking of doing a full install on the real thing and documenting the process (however, I'll either use the CDROM or another HDD as "installation source", I won't copy 20-30 diskettes!) In which case, the speed of the 486 will be most welcome!
I think it'd be worth documenting. Either here on by video, if you're into that.

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Then I might try even older architectures but those can't be Slackware based
Hmm, would it be another type of *nix?
 
Old 05-13-2019, 12:02 AM   #137
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Have a fully functional Pentium III machine running FreeDOS. And Slackware 14.2 on another drive for when I need to run ssh, do large file system operations and whatnot.

1.0ghz PIII slot 1 on that sexy Intel SE440BX2 board. 768megs of RAM.

Oh, and a non-plug-and-play Sound Blaster AWE32 with that fancy-schmancy MIDI goodness.

Basically the machine I would dream of as a kid.

Runs Quake in 640x480 (at almost 60fps) all day long. <3

Oh, and no Trusted-Security-Management-Platform or anything of that sort on-board. Full control (well... almost) of all hardware and software.

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Old 05-14-2019, 02:39 PM   #138
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@Fat_Elvis
You make me remember my own oldest machine, a home built desktop from wayback:
Asus P2B-D 440BX, 450MHz Pentium III, 1024MB, floppy, SoundBlaster Live (PCI) with Creative CD writer, serial mouse and keyboard :-) and it is still running Slackware 12.x. If I remember correctly it started with Slackware 9.x.
I don't use it anymore of course, but as a kid I loved this machine! I probably still have a USRobotics external modem
56.6k with it in the basement. Downloading wasn't too bad since all manner of files were much smaller then...really large files would have been 1~2Mb. I'll stop there else I'll start talking about the old slide projecter I inherited from someone which still works just fine.
 
Old 05-14-2019, 02:51 PM   #139
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It's been a while, but.. there were difficulties.

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Yes, that's the original InfoMagic set from August 1995.

Since my other 486 seems quite unstable I've returned to the Amigo. I also added a CD-ROM drive and installed the HDD inside a removable enclosure, for easier access. Alas, I might have exaggerated a bit - this CD-ROM seemed ok at first, but it failed to read while installing. So, in the end I used another (DOS) partition for the Slackware installation source.
Apart from that (and some other HW related troubles), bash 3.2.48 (as well as 3.2) needs to be configured with
Code:
./configure --disable-nls
in order to avoid problems with undefined reference to `libintl_gettext' when compiling under older systems (such as Slackware 2.3)

After some adventures, this is what I ended up with:
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xv grab of an rxvt window - now even the packages count is wrong

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screen picture with more applications - it's good to have plenty of RAM.
Colors look strange because of DOOM (well, any program that changes colormap, in fact)

Full story is here: http://hawk.ro/stories/slack2.3/
My site is quite clean - no advertisments, analytics or anything like this. I hope it's not against forum rules to post it as such; if it is, please let me know and I'll copy it here.

@Lysander666, since he was the instigator
I still have one more idea to try neofetch on (going back to the mid 80s), but it must be NetBSD based (of course it runs NetBSD). If that succeeds I will post the result in the appropriate forum, I think I've monopolized this thread enough

Thank you all for the idea and encouragement! And of course, thanks to Patrick Volkerding for providing such a good distribution for at least a quarter of a century!
 
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:02 PM   #140
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Warms my heart to see Doom.

xdoom, is that the original linux port by Dave Taylor?
How well is it running on there?
 
Old 05-15-2019, 01:50 AM   #141
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Yeah, it was the spirit of the era!
It's running fine, I would estimate over 30fps (at least in that window; I don't know if it has an option for scaling but I suspect not). Wait, there is:
Quote:
Another new option is inflating the screen size. You'll quickly
discover that 320x200 is just REAL small on 1280x1024 screens.
You can use -2, -3, or -4 to double, triple, or quadruple the window
size. This turns out to be a pretty bonehead thing to do in Linux.
You can resize the X server resolution. I understand there's now
a 320x200 mode. I'd recommend it. The -2,-3,-4 options were broken
before (an endianness thing). -2 and -3 are fixed. I still say
you're a bonehead for using them.


By the way, I don't have a soundcard installed in this computer, so can't say anything about the sound.

It might be. On the 2nd CD there is another archive and the README inside that one says:
Quote:
These files are for Linux DOOM version 1.8.

README.linuxs is the README for SVGAlib DOOM, as provided by Dave
Taylor.

README.linuxx is the README for X DOOM, as provided by Dave
Taylor.

README.dos is the MS-DOS DOOM README.
 
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:51 AM   #142
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Slackware 2.3!

What a ride!

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Old 05-15-2019, 11:08 AM   #143
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Quote:
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@Fat_Elvis
You make me remember my own oldest machine, a home built desktop from wayback:
Asus P2B-D 440BX, 450MHz Pentium III, 1024MB, floppy, SoundBlaster Live (PCI) with Creative CD writer, serial mouse and keyboard :-) and it is still running Slackware 12.x. If I remember correctly it started with Slackware 9.x.

Haha! Awesome!


I think my actual first PC was either a 386 or a 486, with 1 meg of ram. I remember for sure that it could run Wolfenstein, but not Doom.
 
Old 05-16-2019, 04:01 AM   #144
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@Lysander666, since he was the instigator
I still have one more idea to try neofetch on (going back to the mid 80s), but it must be NetBSD based (of course it runs NetBSD). If that succeeds I will post the result in the appropriate forum, I think I've monopolized this thread enough
Yes but please link it through this one. I think your posts deserve more exposure, what you've done is so impressive. I especially enjoyed your blog post - green VDU font included.

Apologies for missing it, do you know why neofetch misses out the CPU/RAM info on the older computers? You've done such a thorough job documenting everything, I'll sig your posts. I really think your blog post should include pics and references to all your retro Slackware experiments.

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Old 05-16-2019, 01:41 PM   #145
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Thank you for your appreciation, including VDU style! The next entry will likely be amber (and the reason for its color, self-explanatory). Until then...

The Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was:
Quote:
do you know why neofetch misses out the CPU/RAM info on the older computers?
Peering into the mists of time, the Oracle can vaguely discern the shape of /proc...
no, sorry, I can't keep that up. A short investigation found that /proc/meminfo has changed from older kernels era. Specifically, on the Amigo running Slackware 2.3:
Code:
amigo23:~$ uname -a
Linux amigo23 1.2.8 #1 Wed May 15 21:30:49 EET DST 2019 i486
amigo23:~$ cat /proc/meminfo 
        total:   used:    free:   shared:  buffers:
Mem:  65830912  5722112 60108800  3735552  2576384
Swap:        0        0        0
amigo23:~$
(yesterday I upgraded it to 64MB - 4*16MB SIMMs; also I recompiled its kernel)

while on another computer running Slackware 14.1 (or 13.37; it's the same)
Code:
cat /proc/meminfo 
MemTotal:       16387496 kB
MemFree:        15069848 kB
Buffers:           69820 kB
Cached:           479800 kB
[...]
You can see how nowadays the values are split on separate lines, making life easier for neofetch (that is looking.. well, read-ing for MemTotal and so on)

Similarly for cpu, neofetch seems to be looking in /proc/cpuinfo for one of the following:
Code:
model name|Hardware|Processor|^cpu model|chip type|^cpu type
however, cpuinfo contains somewhat different information
Code:
amigo23:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
cpu		: 486
model		: DX/4
mask		: Unknown
vid		: GenuineIntel
fdiv_bug	: no
math		: yes
hlt		: yes
wp		: yes
Integrated NPU	: yes
Enhanced VM86	: yes
IO Breakpoints	: no
4MB Pages	: no
TS Counters	: no
Pentium MSR	: no
Mach. Ch. Exep.	: no
CMPXCHGB8B	: no
BogoMips	: 33.55
Again, this is related to kernel version (implicitly Slackware version), rather than hardware. In other (more pompous?) words, it's related to how the Linux kernel delivers information about hardware to user-mode programs. I wonder: could a 2.8 3.0 kernel be compiled for the 486?

You owe the Oracle a Linux kernel capable to run on the 286.

(this vintage stuff distracted me to nethack and that lead to oracularities)

EDIT: forgot that there was no 2.8 kernel

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Old Yesterday, 07:22 AM   #146
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Beyond Linux

In the quest for older computers I left Linux-land and went to NetBSD

MicroVAX II: 32bit CPU at 5MHz, 16MB of RAM, no hard disk. But, it boots from a Slackware server
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest....php?p=5998801

Story here:
http://hawk.ro/stories/bsduvaxii/
 
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