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Old 06-18-2009, 08:05 AM   #1
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latest slackware version supporting old i386?


I have a pc/104 machine. It has an i486sx processor which lack FPU unit. I want to install a slackware version on it. It's my first experience with slackware. Someone helped me with an ftp link that hold all slackware versions up to 1.2 ... Now I wanna know what's the last slackware version supporting i486sx processor??

1.2 seems too old. If there are something newer that could work I would like to try it. I will keep 1.2 as my last option tho.

Thanks all in advance.
 
Old 06-18-2009, 08:44 AM   #2
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8.1, I think, should work for you.
 
Old 06-18-2009, 09:05 AM   #3
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Even in the latest versions all packages are compiled for i486, so theoretically it should still work on a 486 assuming it actually has enough RAM.
 
Old 06-18-2009, 09:58 AM   #4
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by NightHorse View Post
I have a pc/104 machine. It has an i486sx processor which lack FPU unit. I want to install a slackware version on it. It's my first experience with slackware. Someone helped me with an ftp link that hold all slackware versions up to 1.2 ... Now I wanna know what's the last slackware version supporting i486sx processor??

1.2 seems too old. If there are something newer that could work I would like to try it. I will keep 1.2 as my last option tho.

Thanks all in advance.
I think that 8.1 was recommended in 'http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/linux-for-i486sx-or-at-least-a-compiler-732181/'. What was your result?
 
Old 06-21-2009, 05:00 AM   #5
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Sorry for the late reply. It was last day at work for the week here and my connection home been down.

Finally slackware 8.1 booted. Am currently installing it. It has 2.4 kernel. I will try compiling 2.6 kernel once if it all installed fine. I will post back when am done. Thanks all. And sorry for the cross posting.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 07:35 AM   #6
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Ok. slackware 8.1 is installed and running on my machine. I don't have ethernet working tho.. I have a patch and configuration file for 2.6 kernel. I am trying to compile it but it will take a life time on that machine. LoL..

Thanks all for help.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 07:52 AM   #7
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I just tried slackware 9.1 and it boots on pc/104 as well.. !!

Do u think if i tried latest slackware 12 will work too?? I am downloading it right now anyway. I am hoping to get better support for more current kernel and gcc.

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Old 06-21-2009, 08:10 AM   #8
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As I said before, theoretically it should work, even 12.2. However, I don't have a 486 and thus cannot try it to be sure.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 08:43 AM   #9
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ummm, I think I started to love slackware. I have tried many distros and even embedded distros and i always had kernel panic message. LoL

If slackware 12 worked I will post here.

And also am gonna install it @ home.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 08:50 AM   #10
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12.2 should boot it has the required CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION set so a "sx" CPU will run.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 09:21 AM   #11
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Hi,
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As I said before, theoretically it should work, even 12.2. However, I don't have a 486 and thus cannot try it to be sure.
'H' it should work but the OP was working with a low power embedded system. I'm not sure about the hardware configuration along with legacy. The earlier version should support the PC104 since the hardware is older. I used the pc104 in the 90's, I'm not sure about the dates. It's been a while.

'PC104' is a useful and configurable system with good expansion. 'PC104' is based on 'ISA' buss technology unless you select the 'PC104+' which is based on 'PCI'. The 'PC104+' would be my choice. If the OP is attempting to utilize the earlier system type then the earlier Slackware versions would be best. The gains to use the latest will not be had if the legacy hardware/expansions are not supported. I still would use a current Slackware on a separate machine to develop software then move the software to the embed system. Less problems and time.

Since you have the base on the embed you can setup the network/serial/parallel links to transport. Sure the network would be better but sometimes the alternate is required because of the original intent of the 'PC104' system being portable/remote.

This would all be moot if the 'PC104+' was being used since it does have the support for 'GNU/Linux'.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 10:09 AM   #12
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Well, you know better than I do, cuz I don't have one of these.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 11:47 AM   #13
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ok. slackware 12.0 booted. I only had to pass the huge.s option at the boot. cause the default will need at least pentium pro to boot. but by passing right option it booted and started the setup program and started fine. Didn't install it tho cause I wanted to install 12.2
I downloaded it and shall install it tomorrow. I am lacking CDs right now. LoL

and for onebuck:
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PC/104 standard compliant, PCI-104 & PCI/104+ (Optional)
I got that from my pc/104 website. I have the two buses (I think). Here is my pc/104 link

The only reason I want to install latest release is to get latest kernel and gcc working. I was getting hard times compiling drivers for it.

I have a question:

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Since you have the base on the embed you can setup the network/serial/parallel links to transport. Sure the network would be better but sometimes the alternate is required because of the original intent of the 'PC104' system being portable/remote.
If I copied the root directory into a folder on my ubuntu machine, Can I just chroot to that directory? or does it need something else?? I currently having 32 bit chroot environment on my x64 ubuntu.

Again I want to thank everyone who helped me on this issue. It has been a real nightmare throw the last 6 months.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 12:39 PM   #14
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Hi,

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ok. slackware 12.0 booted. I only had to pass the huge.s option at the boot. cause the default will need at least pentium pro to boot. but by passing right option it booted and started the setup program and started fine. Didn't install it tho cause I wanted to install 12.2
I downloaded it and shall install it tomorrow. I am lacking CDs right now. LoL

and for onebuck:

I got that from my pc/104 website. I have the two buses (I think). Here is my pc/104 link

The only reason I want to install latest release is to get latest kernel and gcc working. I was getting hard times compiling drivers for it.

I have a question:

If I copied the root directory into a folder on my ubuntu machine, Can I just chroot to that directory? or does it need something else?? I currently having 32 bit chroot environment on my x64 ubuntu.

Again I want to thank everyone who helped me on this issue. It has been a real nightmare throw the last 6 months.
As I stated it's been years for the 'PC104' work for me. I checked the site you referenced. Which board do you have;

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128MB/4S/2USB/VGA/LCD/LAN/GPIO
Features:

* DM&P SoC CPU Vortex86SX- 300MHz
* PC/104 standard compliant, PCI-104 & PCI/104+ (Optional)
* 128MB DDR2 onboard
* Watchdog Timer, software programmable from 30.5 µsec. to 512 sec.
* XGI Volari Z9s Chipset, onboard 32MB VGA Memory
* Integrated 10/100Mbps Ethernet
* Onboard 2MB SPI Flash Disk
* Support MSTI EmbedDisk Module
* Operation Temperature: -20°C ~ +70°C, -40°C ~ +85°C (Optional)
The above states the base board is 'PC104' compliant with the option to be compliant to the 'PCI/104+'. Look at the specs.

I would setup a 'VM' on your *buntu machine. That way the portability will be there for you. I like 'VirtualBox'. You can setup the 'VM' and work between your embed and the 'VM' a lot easier via the embeds 10/100 Ethernet. I wish that I had the tools that are available today back when I was still working with controllers in the LAB.

It's been a while but boy have they ever made these babies compact today as compared to when I used them.

For 12.0 requirements for a machine then your 'PC104' has the memory and processor. It still depends on the board type you have. If the board is a basic 'PC104' then you may have some problems. But with the support for the current boards you should be able to work around some issues. You should really look at the 'User Manual' for your particular board. The site 'User Manual' is general.

I've looked at the newer boards but I just can't justify the cost. The University LABS afforded me the means to work with a lot of pretty toys at their expense. Retirement restricts the little boy in me to buy those new toys. Somewhere in my LAB is a older 'PC104' but why? No need to use a remote or site controller for the farm. KISS is a great philosophy. But $$ do control that along with the need.

Hope I've helped you in some way.
 
Old 06-22-2009, 03:08 AM   #15
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Well, I have both busses on my machine. Then I guess it is PCI-104 compliant??? They are stating nothing about it in the manual rather than it's optional. Do you think it could be there and unused??

I was using ssh to connect to it when x-linux was setting on it. I compile on my machine using 32 bit chroot and send the binaries there with scp. It reduced so much time than earlier (used to remove the flash and connect it to my machine copying the binaries then plugging it again there) *Counting the shutdown and boot time for each copy you can know how much time ssh saved*

x-linux been good. light and optimized for that board. But I was looking for portability. Beside needing to compile that wifi usb driver.

btw I tried slackware 12.2 today. unfortunately it didn't work. After passing huge.s to boot. Everything seems fine till uncompressing linux. Then I get a long memory trace with an erro "Error parsing Elf" then kernel panics.

I tried same cd on virtual box and it worked fine with huge.s as well. Do you think it would be a bug?? Cause 12.0 works fine. !!

btw I been using virtual box since I started using linux. that's about 9 or 10 months now. And I loved it from the first day. It's so fast. xp runs faster on it than on the machine itself. !! LoL

I love working with those little machines. I wish i could get one at home. I learned with it more than I ever learned at home.

Anyhow slackware 12.0 is installing right. I will get back here if i had farther issues. (And I know I will. )
 
  


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