To be fair, this is not KDE's fault.

From The American Heritage Electronic Dictionary:

The key word here in defining intrusion is 'force'. I think it originally comes from geology, where one type of rock sediment forces its way into the cracks of another over time. Just as an intruder forces their way into someone's home.

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Correct.

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It got boring to have to cope with all the beshittements of the newer window managers. It seemed like every rev broke something through structural changes, implementation of superfluous functionality, or code bloat.

I'm not much of a "diddling for diddling's sake" user - I want to perform some tasks as efficiently as possible, then get on with life.

That's why I run FVWM - and have for many years. It's not glamorous, but it doesn't constantly change the UI and stuff just runs well. And keeps running.

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I like FVWM but they really took a slash and burn approach to recent versions. Lots of modules removed all of a sudden. I also feel that some people have taken ownership of it, as though it's their own private property.

Plucking up the courage to have a go at Awesome next. Anyone got copiously-commented configs I can look at?

Since so many modern Xfce fans started when they became (rightfully, if a we bit prematurely) disgusted with KDE4, I wonder how many of you have given TDE Trinity a try ? It's exceptionally fast even on a modest modern machine. I tried it and it's quite good but as much as I liked Krusader, Dolphin has won me over.

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That's exactly why I use fvwm, too -- it's safe and sane, forever, not churn for the sake of churn. It's as close as software gets to bug-free, offers the features I need, and gives me the peace of mind that comes from knowing it will still be what it is twenty years from now.

I try to fill my every-day toolbox with such tools. Some fulfill the criteria better than others, and fvwm is one of the best.

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Yes. Fvvm is nice, it's the default wm of OpenBSD. At the moment I'm running XFCE on most of my units. I run Fluxbox and OpenBSD 6.5 on an old T410 Thinkpad(it recently ran MATE).
If Slackware adds KDE-plasma I will move my faster units to that.

Tried Xfce when KDE4 came out but didn't like it. I'm playing with Trinity now as time permits. I did a straight install over a standard KDE4 (which is NOT the "official" way) just to see what happens and it's working well (apart from overwriting KDE4 configurations, so for now it is one or the other but not both). Certainly, to my mind, an improvement over KDE4, but I haven't tried a clean Trinity install so I don't know which essential (for me) KDE applications I'd be missing. I'm looking forward to next stable Slackware so I can compare it to Plasma5.

where did you install TDE from?

http://www.inpito.org/trinity.php

I don't like very many file managers (though I can configure Dolphin to be pretty nice), I've been using X File Explorer (based on FOX GUI toolkit) since it was XWincommander in 1999. One of the first things I build, soon after any distro is plunked down. I have to at least build FOX, even on distros that provide it, because I like it done a certain way and I want the "example" utilities.

Basically, the Trinity Desktop Environment is mostly just a window manager to me, that's why I don't care about the dated applications.

I was a diehard kde-3.5.xx user until the disaster known as kde-4.0. IMHO it was six years before kde-4 became "useable," but even then, I eventually went back to Xfce. Kde-5 I've tried several times and that
just isn't going to happen on any box I own, just for comestic reasons alone. If, IF, I was forced to use
kde it would be kde-4.whatever. No matter what you do, it is nearly impossible to make kde-5 attractive. It seems the snowflake kindergartners have taken over the classroom.
WHERE ARE the adults??!!

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Funny how looks are such a personal thing. I really disliked the Windows XP look of KDE3, KDE4 was a lot better but Plasma5 is really again a lot better in terms of looks. Everytime I go back to a KDE4 session on one of my Slackware 14.2 computers, I long to be running Plasma5 again.
And performance-wise as well as with regard to functionality, Plasma5 tops KDE4.

Please, just don't try to stick to what you are used to. Try something new from time to time. It's what keeps your mind young and sharp.
Don't become one of these old folk who can only talk about how everything was better when you were young, and that the youth of nowadays are worth nothing. You were that youth, long ago.

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