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Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 07:47 AM

KDE vs Xfce?
 
Hello guys, I am new to slackware and I am loving it thus far. I am interested in what WM fellow slackers use and for what reason. I currently use Xfce and was a big GNOME2.xx fan back when I was in grade school/high school, everything changed (for the worst as most of you know) after GNOME 3 was released and I was "forced" to use Xfce which is a very pleasurable alternative. I always hated KDE, it just doesn't "feel right" - especially if you are a programmer, what ever that is suppose to mean by that. So what is the opinion of the forum? KDE or Xfce?

I like Xfce because it is not buggy or feel as if it is "buggy", what ever that is suppose to mean, as opposed to KDE. KDE apps somewhat scare me from a more minimalist perspective and I believe Xfe embodies the spirit of simplicity with POWER more so than GNOME did and to some extents was better than GNOME in that aspect. Xfce is fast and gets the job done, is straight forward and doesn't hurt or over stimulate the mind or EYES.

What's your opinion?
AND why??


ALSO: btw, how do I change the default "file manager/viewer"? I keep having

camorri 04-27-2019 08:15 AM

Quote:

ALSO: btw, how do I change the default "file manager/viewer"? I keep having
Settings-->Preferred Applications --> Util tab --> File Manager. Put your choice there.

I run XFCE, it gets the job done, and doesn't get in the way. Easy enough to get it configured.

I do used KDE apps from time to time, so having both installed is the best of both worlds for me.

3rensho 04-27-2019 08:21 AM

I've been using KDE for quite some time and have switched to Plasma 5 after Eric started updating that. Recently though Eric seems to have left the Plasma 5 updates due to time constraints so I am looking to other DE's. Want to give Mate a look in the future. Xfce is always a good fallback option for me.

cwizardone 04-27-2019 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camorri (Post 5988905)
......

I run XFCE, it gets the job done, and doesn't get in the way. Easy enough to get it configured.

I do used KDE apps from time to time, so having both installed is the best of both worlds for me.

Agreed!
:)
I have tried and did run an "Xfce only" desktop for a while, but came to the conclusion Dolphin or Konqueror are better file managers than Thunar and Kwrite is better than Leafpad or Mousepad. Konsole is also very good, but the Xfce Terminal gets the job done. While searching for KDE app replacements, I discovered XnView-MP and it beats the pants off of Gwenview.
Every now and then I run KDE-4, but not for long, and go back to Xfce. I won't be running KDE-5, but when the time comes I have already figured out the minimum KDE-5 dependencies necessary to run a few KDE-5 applications.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 09:33 AM

Who is Eric and Alein and how can I start contributing to there works and the community? I am 24 and I want to dedicate the rest of my life to the community.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone (Post 5988929)
Agreed!
:)
I have tried and did run an "Xfce only" desktop for a while, but came to the conclusion Dolphin or Konqueror are better file managers than Thunar and Kwrite is better than Leafpad or Mousepad. Konsole is also very good, but the Xfce Terminal gets the job done. While searching for kde app replacements I discovered XnView-MP and it beats the pants off of Gwenview.
Every now and then I run KDE-4, but not for long, and go back to Xfce. I won't be running KDE-5, but when the time comes I have already figured out the minimum KDE-5 dependencies necessary to run a few KDE-5 applications.

I agree, KDE does have some useful desktop applications but I would say the WM alone and other KDE essentials is "messy". This is why I miss GNOME 2 because it essentially was Xfce but with the power and application of KDE. Why GNOME 3 came out and who ever was the head of developing it should be shot.

cwizardone 04-27-2019 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackwarefanboy (Post 5988930)
Who is Eric and Alein and how can I start contributing to there works and the community? I am 24 and I want to dedicate the rest of my life to the community.

Here you go, meet AlienBob :)
https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/

And, WillySR,
https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/

And, Ponce,
https://github.com/Ponce

And, Rworkman (aka, Robby),
http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/

There are several others who have contributed their talent and hard work, so I didn't mean to leave anyone out, but these are the only links I've collected over the years.

Then there is, Slackbuilds.org
http://slackbuilds.org/

And, of course, Slackware.com (check the change logs every now and then :) )
http://www.slackware.com/

and the Slackware Documentation Project,
http://docs.slackware.com/start

If you like Mate, check out WillySR's blog at the link above.

pchristy 04-27-2019 09:57 AM

Horses for courses. KDE Plasma 5 has some excellent multimedia apps (kdenlive video editor and kaffeine for DTV to name but two) and runs fast and well on a decently specced machine. Xfce is better on a machine with limited resources.

I usually run Plasma 5 on my desktops and Xfce on my laptop. However, since I have to have the Plasma 5 libraries installed to run the multimedia apps on the laptop, running Xfce offers only minima advantages.

Just my 2p worth - if your not using heavy multimedia apps, Xfce may be a better choice. I couldn't say about other apps, either way.

--
Pete

magicm 04-27-2019 09:58 AM

I, too, belong to the 'install everything - use xfce' crowd. I'm one of those that gave up on kde as a desktop when it was in its version 3 to version 4 teething stages. My understanding is that version 5 will be better, but I found everything akonadi related to be way more trouble than it was worth. On the other hand many of the kde apps included in 14.2 (my daily driver) are gems. For one, I really love wasting time with shisen-sho.

individual 04-27-2019 10:01 AM

I don't run Slackware anymore, unfortunately, but the following are my favorite WMs in no particular order:
Openbox - I like Openbox because it is really lightweight and allows for almost endless customization.
Xfce - It Just Works™ and you can make it look nice pretty easily.
dwm - If you want minimal, dwm is the way to go.

Skaendo 04-27-2019 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackwarefanboy (Post 5988900)
I currently use Xfce and was a big GNOME2.xx fan back when I was in grade school/high school, everything changed (for the worst as most of you know) after GNOME 3 was released and I was "forced" to use Xfce which is a very pleasurable alternative.

If you liked Gnome2, then check out Willy's CinnamonSlackBuilds. You have to build them yourself, but it's pretty straightforward and easy enough. That is what I run, albeit a more rounded out Cinnamon with programs from the Linux Mint team like xed, xplayer, etc.

Or try Willy's MateSlackBuilds.

hazel 04-27-2019 11:52 AM

I notice that hardly anyone here voted for gnome. May I try to guess why?

1) KDE is big and complex but it comes with the full install
2) Gnome is big and complex and you have to install it explicitly.

Looks like people who install their own desktops prefer to use something simpler.

I swear by Fluxbox. I use it on all my systems.

Drakeo 04-27-2019 11:52 AM

One is apples one is oranges. What fruit do you like. Thunar or dolphin.
I like kde4 and really like kde5 aliens build. just as light now.
Xfce4 is a tool. rusty on my pc.
I think Willy's builds Mate desktop blows away xfce4.
My opinion. XFCE4 getting bloated these days.
Just a Tool. Kde very polished and I prefer it over all of them.

hitest 04-27-2019 11:55 AM

Interesting poll. Thanks. I voted for XFCE because I mostly use XFCE. However, I do use KDE on my slackware64-current box that I dual boot with OpenBSD 6.5.

cwizardone 04-27-2019 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazel (Post 5988976)
I notice that hardly anyone here voted for gnome. May I try to guess why?

1) KDE is big and complex but it comes with the full install
2) Gnome is big and complex and you have to install it explicitly.

Looks like people who install their own desktops prefer to use something simpler.

I swear by Fluxbox. I use it on all my systems.

Gnome was once included, but was removed years ago for becoming too big and complex. Some feel KDE-5 is now at the same point, some don't.

bassmadrigal 04-27-2019 01:57 PM

I've been using KDE since the early 2000s (I think my first introduction to it was Redhat 7.2 back in 2001 during college). A few years ago, I did a massive upgrade of packages on Slackware 14.1, basically upgrading X and mesa (and the required dependencies -- I think it was over 200 packages in all). When I did that, KDE broke. I don't even remember what it did, but I couldn't use it. So, I switched to XFCE... and I found it was still lacking and missed some, what I'd consider, necessary components, like power control. As cwizardone stated above, I found that the default xfce apps where drastically inferior to the KDE apps (at least in how I used them).

I was able to live with xfce for the 6-12 months it took until 14.2 was released and I was able to switch back to KDE when I upgraded my system to 14.2. If I need to, I can run xfce, but I definitely prefer KDE.

NOTE: I have not tried Plasma 5 yet, as I tend to stick with stable releases of Slackware, so I can't comment much on that. From what I've read on the forum, I don't think it will be nearly as big of a change as KDE3 to KDE4. I'll probably continue to stick with KDE/Plasma5 when Slackware 15.0 is released (if it is included with it, which I suspect that it is, even though the changelog is mostly silent about it).

Timothy Miller 04-27-2019 02:01 PM

FOR ME:

KDE > Trinity > LXQT > Cinnamon > FVWM > Fluxbox > Openbox > Blackbox > LXDE > XFCE > just about every other WM > Windows > Gnome

I actually use Gnome at work (Ubuntu, but regardless). It works. It works well. I hate everything about how it does anything. And it makes Windows look fast It's so horrendously bloated and slow. It is, IMO, the worst desktop there is on any OS despite being functional. But that's what my developers use, so that's what I use.

Gerard Lally 04-27-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone (Post 5988983)
Gnome was once included, but was removed years ago for becoming too big and complex. Some feel KDE-5 is now at the same point, some don't.

The axe was wielded in the past in order to keep Slackware on a single DVD. Given there's no longer likely to be an official DVD, that constraint probably no longer applies. Complexity, however, is a different matter, but it might be less complex now to include things than to exclude them.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazel (Post 5988976)
I notice that hardly anyone here voted for gnome. May I try to guess why?

1) KDE is big and complex but it comes with the full install
2) Gnome is big and complex and you have to install it explicitly.

Looks like people who install their own desktops prefer to use something simpler.

I swear by Fluxbox. I use it on all my systems.

True. Fluxbox is very nice as well, I would use it on a dated think-pad which is all I ever really need to code/hack things around. One can not argue against the fact though that Xfce JUST works and in the world of Linux and Slackware in particular such a feat is a testament to good design and good programming - but more importantly conscientious on behalf of the developers of Xfce - something that at times is lacked in some way or form in the open source community to some degree.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassmadrigal (Post 5989029)
I've been using KDE since the early 2000s (I think my first introduction to it was Redhat 7.2 back in 2001 during college). A few years ago, I did a massive upgrade of packages on Slackware 14.1, basically upgrading X and mesa (and the required dependencies -- I think it was over 200 packages in all). When I did that, KDE broke. I don't even remember what it did, but I couldn't use it. So, I switched to XFCE... and I found it was still lacking and missed some, what I'd consider, necessary components, like power control. As cwizardone stated above, I found that the default xfce apps where drastically inferior to the KDE apps (at least in how I used them).

I was able to live with xfce for the 6-12 months it took until 14.2 was released and I was able to switch back to KDE when I upgraded my system to 14.2. If I need to, I can run xfce, but I definitely prefer KDE.

NOTE: I have not tried Plasma 5 yet, as I tend to stick with stable releases of Slackware, so I can't comment much on that. From what I've read on the forum, I don't think it will be nearly as big of a change as KDE3 to KDE4. I'll probably continue to stick with KDE/Plasma5 when Slackware 15.0 is released (if it is included with it, which I suspect that it is, even though the changelog is mostly silent about it).

Indeed, KDE and their team that makes the apps are dedicated to their cause and KDE application development. The problem with KDE is not the many applications they have that are in some degree's superior to Xfce BUT KDE as a windows manager, file manager and the overall feel and approach/look of it. TO some degree's it doesn't make sense but to other's it does; still all in all KDE application can be argued to be superior to Xfce's henceforth the need for "hybrid applications" when running Xfce.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 5989038)
The axe was wielded in the past in order to keep Slackware on a single DVD. Given there's no longer likely to be an official DVD, that constraint probably no longer applies. Complexity, however, is a different matter, but it might be less complex now to include things than to exclude them.

I agree - KDE is over complex with no real applicability to justify it. +1 for netBSD also, that's going to be the OS on the server I am getting.

Slackwarefanboy 04-27-2019 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone (Post 5988936)
Here you go, meet AlienBob :)
https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/

And, WillySR,
https://slackblogs.blogspot.com/

And, Ponce,
https://github.com/Ponce

And, Rworkman (aka, Robby),
http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/

There are several others who have contributed their talent and hard work, so I didn't mean to leave anyone out, but these are the only links I've collected over the years.

Then there is, Slackbuilds.org
http://slackbuilds.org/

And, of course, Slackware.com (check the change logs every now and then :) )
http://www.slackware.com/

and the Slackware Documentation Project,
http://docs.slackware.com/start

If you like Mate, check out WillySR's blog at the link above.

THank you for this information -- it will prove invaluable to both you and the community.

montagdude 04-27-2019 04:04 PM

I bounce around periodically, but I am currently using and enjoying Cinnamon. 4.0 is very nice.

cwizardone 04-27-2019 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 5989038)
The axe was wielded in the past in order to keep Slackware on a single DVD. Given there's no longer likely to be an official DVD, that constraint probably no longer applies. Complexity, however, is a different matter, but it might be less complex now to include things than to exclude them.

Quote:

Slackware may drop GNOME
October 28, 2004 — 1.54am

One of the oldest Linux distributions may drop the GNOME desktop and leave it to users to install this environment if they so wish.

Slackware Linux was started by Patrick Volkerding in early 1993.

In reply to a recent mailing list post, asking why the packages for the latest GNOME - version 2.8 - was still not available for Slackware, Volkerding wrote that since GNOME 1.4 he had felt that it (GNOME) was going in a direction that did not fit well with Slackware's goals.

He said as far back as release 1.4 he had considered removing it completely "and taking whatever flames I get for that decision."

"Right now, I think removing it would be the best thing for Slackware as it's become a maintainance (sic) nightmare," Volkerding wrote.

"I do believe it would be best to let Dropline produce Slackware's GNOME and quit wasting my own time with it. Probably 1/3 of developement time here is used maintaining GNOME, and *most* of the bug reports I get have something to do with GNOME (and aren't bugs I caused, or can fix)."

Dropline Systems is now producing a version of GNOME, designed specifically for Slackware systems.

Volkerding continued: "KDE, on the other hand, tends to build using the existing build scripts with no changes at all. I can start the build and come back to finished packages in a few hours. A GNOME update usually takes at least a week of manual labor, and another week of cleaning up broken things. It's been a long time (like I said, around GNOME 1.4), since I've felt the effort was worth the return."

Asked for a reaction, Jeff Waugh, release manager for GNOME, said he could speak for himself and not the GNOME Project or Foundation.

Waugh said: "Integrating and supporting a complete desktop software stack such as GNOME is a challenging task, comparable to the maintenance of a simplified Linux system such as Slackware. It is no surprise to me that Patrick is thinking about passing the torch to Dropline, who have done a sterling job providing high-quality, up-to-date releases of GNOME for Slackware.

"That will give Patrick more time to focus on the core system, while leaving desktop integration to the Dropline folks, who rock so hard."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/slac...28-gdjzz5.html

WHO IN THE H*LL IS cloudfare and why did they intercept my attempt to post?!!!!

Didier Spaier 04-27-2019 06:10 PM

MATE is the default in Slint, partly because it is by far the most accessible to blind users (using the Orca screen reader) and to users with a low vision (for instance with a zoom that keeps the cursor in the center of the screen when typing in a terminal or in a text editor).

It is also reasonably fast, has all features expected of a desktop, actively maintained and relatively easy to integrate.

I also like LXDE that is good enough and modular, but now use almost exclusively MATE.

montagdude 04-27-2019 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone (Post 5989079)
WHO IN THE H*LL IS cloudfare and why did they intercept my attempt to post?!!!!

Huh?

Poprocks 04-27-2019 07:15 PM

Depends. On my 2in1 I use XFCE because it's underpowered and XFCE is a surprisingly good touchscreen interface.

Workflow wise though, nothing beats KDE5 on my desktop with a big monitor, krunner and all of its terrific apps. So KDE gets my vote though both have their place.

cwizardone 04-27-2019 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montagdude (Post 5989096)
Huh?

Please see this thread,
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...bs-4175652815/

frankbell 04-27-2019 08:05 PM

I use KDE when I'm not using Fluxbox. I prefer KDE applications, and I like KDE's configurability. Also, per a little item I saw recently in Linux Magazine (unfortunately, this story is not online, at least not publicly), KDE is lighter-weight in usage than most give it credit for.

Quote:

I notice that hardly anyone here voted for gnome. May I try to guess why?
I don't like the Gnome interface. At all.

Additionally, I find it annoying that Gnome seems to spell "simplify" as "d-u-m-b d-o-w-n."

bassmadrigal 04-27-2019 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackwarefanboy (Post 5989056)
The problem with KDE is not the many applications they have that are in some degree's superior to Xfce BUT KDE as a windows manager, file manager and the overall feel and approach/look of it.

It isn't the problem with KDE, it's your problem with it... and that's ok :) I prefer the KDE window manager over Xfce. To me, Xfce just feels unfinished. There's a lot of things they do right, but there's also areas where they fall short (I was running rworkman's 4.12 Xfce packages for 14.1 at the time -- 14.2 was still in development). It's been long enough that I don't really remember what my issues with it were, but I know I usually had several annoyances a day. Nothing major, but issues that I didn't have with KDE.

This is certainly the great thing about Linux. What is awesome for me may suck for others, but we're given the ability to choose various aspects of our OS so it works best for us.

hitest 04-27-2019 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassmadrigal (Post 5989107)
This is certainly the great thing about Linux. What is awesome for me may suck for others, but we're given the ability to choose various aspects of our OS so it works best for us.

Exactly! We have the luxury of being able to configure our desktop experience with whatever DE/WM that appeals to us. People that run proprietary, closed software never get to enjoy the freedom that we have.
Linux is amazing! :cool:

ChuangTzu 04-27-2019 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassmadrigal (Post 5989107)
It isn't the problem with KDE, it's your problem with it... and that's ok :) I prefer the KDE window manager over Xfce. To me, Xfce just feels unfinished. There's a lot of things they do right, but there's also areas where they fall short (I was running rworkman's 4.12 Xfce packages for 14.1 at the time -- 14.2 was still in development). It's been long enough that I don't really remember what my issues with it were, but I know I usually had several annoyances a day. Nothing major, but issues that I didn't have with KDE.

This is certainly the great thing about Linux. What is awesome for me may suck for others, but we're given the ability to choose various aspects of our OS so it works best for us.

bass, your post is similar to my experience just the inverse. In this poll I prefer Xfce, although I usually use fluxbox or lately icewm.

Lysander666 04-27-2019 08:28 PM

Xfce: for me it feels like the 'default' Slackware DE. I just can't get on with KDE, though it looks very nice.

Even my rather beefy desktop runs Xfce. It's fast, stable, customisable and no-nonsense. You can make it can look like you're in 1995 or 2019. All my Slack machines run it apart from my netbook - that runs LXDE.

individual 04-27-2019 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu (Post 5989110)
bass, your post is similar to my experience just the inverse. In this poll I prefer Xfce, although I usually use fluxbox or lately icewm.

AntiX uses IceWM by default. It's lightweight, relatively easy to configure, and there are nice themes available for it.

rkelsen 04-27-2019 08:38 PM

KDE because it enables me to be productive. It is far and away the most feature complete desktop available.

The small things which some would consider to be "bloat" are the things that enable productivity... well for me, anyway.

If KDE weren't available, I'd use XFCE and add the little bits and pieces I need.

ChuangTzu 04-27-2019 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by individual (Post 5989123)
AntiX uses IceWM by default. It's lightweight, relatively easy to configure, and there are nice themes available for it.

That they do and well done at that! Now if they could just do something about that Debian base. :p

frankbell 04-27-2019 09:07 PM

I find KDE applications under the Fluxbox window manager to be my favorite combination. If you do Fluxbox right, it has all the eye candy anyone might want.

Lockywolf 04-27-2019 09:30 PM

I voted for XFCE, which I not just use, but also which I have made quite a few bug reports for recently.

However, I am planning to write a SlackBuild for CDE when time permits. It would be nice to have a 'True UNIX' flavour of Slackware, and I don't feel that would require that much of work. Essentially setting --posix-me-harder where needed, installing CDE, hacking on the SysV emulation a bit and doing a bit of fs linting should be enough.

Having said that, I still believe that KDE applications are great, and I use Dolphin for heavy file management, Okular for reading pdfs and some other tools when I feel they are good.

enorbet 04-27-2019 11:42 PM

It is my opinion that what we like most and tend to prefer is that which we are used to, especially in the areas we value most. I started with DOS 3 because my first PC (an 8086) I bought Used. Very soon after I upgraded to DOS 5,and the DOS 6.22. I actually can't recall if I was still on 5 or had moved to 6.22 but somewhere around then I got my first GUI which was PCTools and the PCShell File Manager dug it's hooks in me deeply. My next system was OS/2 2.2 and I loved the overall system but hated that it didn't have a proper File Manager. Soon though users and some IBM employees who apparently agreed made some nice File Managers and it was great from then on.

My first Linux WM/DE was actually Enlightenment on OS/2 and I keep trying out new releases of it to see how it progresses and tried to go full time when they developed a quick way to switch from WM/DE to a Tiling Desktop, combining the areas I've worked in most, but a few bugs and the fact that by booting to Slackware Runlevel 3 (MultiUser Console) and launching KDM, switching Desktop types is almost just as fast with far more options. Also I've loved every File Manager KDE has ever offered KFMClient, Krusader, and after a few minor fixes Dolphin which I now dearly love and use almost exclusively. I never liked either Gnome or Xfce File Managers. For me they lack organization, configurable options and features.

I used Xfce nearly exclusively for about 2 years when KDE v4 went through it's unfortunate growing pains but I kept trying as new releases came out, largely because to use Xfce I relied heavily on it's ability to handle KDE apps, like Dolphin. Xfce had a few annoying issues, especially in configuring Taskbars and Menues and sometimes in remembering those very settings that made it somewhat serviceable for me. Once KDE got solid again I was only too glad to go back. I recently installed Trinity on my laptop thinking of how fast and efficient v3 KDE was and soon found there were improvements in v4 that I very much missed. I am somewhat concerned with the problems that seem to be a headache with Plasma 5 but I hope they all finally pan out because I really don't want to stop using KDE.

sombragris 04-28-2019 12:57 PM

Can I vote both? I am a heavy KDE Plasma user, although I am disappointed by some aspects of the latter KDE releases. However, I still think it's the best desktop there is by far.
But Xfce is fantastic. Really. And a great desktop with solid functionality and superb performance, so it's a great choice for Slackware.

Willy also offers Mate and Cinnamon. Both of them are great desktops and you should check them out. I personally prefer Mate over Cinnamon but that's obviously personal.

EDIT: There's also LXQt, a great desktop but I think that its dependence on OpenBox is a minus.

I would choose as follows: Plasma > {Xfce,Mate} > {Cinnamon, LXQt} > IceWM > others.

montagdude 04-28-2019 01:15 PM

Personally I don't know why people like Gnome 2 / Mate so much. Full disclosure, I haven't actually tried Mate, but I always felt Gnome 2 was nothing special at all. Xfce is more flexible and otherwise very similar. Personal opinion only, of course.

ChuangTzu 04-28-2019 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sombragris (Post 5989258)

EDIT: There's also LXQt, a great desktop but I think that its dependence on OpenBox is a minus.


sombragris, LXQt does not depend on openbox, you can easily use Kwin, XFWM, or any other WM. To select kwin (or anything else) as window manager, select it from the Preferences > LXQt settings > Session Settings panel menu item.

sombragris 04-28-2019 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu (Post 5989264)
sombragris, LXQt does not depend on openbox, you can easily use Kwin, XFWM, or any other WM. To select kwin (or anything else) as window manager, select it from the Preferences > LXQt settings > Session Settings panel menu item.

That's right. I didn't express myself well. It's only that LXQt recommends OpenBox and I cannot think of other WM which is as well suited to LXQt as it. Once I have LXQt running here again (I used AlienBob's packages, which now I think cannot run on the latest -current and await a refresh) I may experiment on several WMs for LXQt.

petslack 04-28-2019 02:07 PM

I've started with KDE distros a long time ago with Mandrake Linux (I think KDE is easier for newbies.. :) ), but then switched to XFCE when started with Slackware 9.0 and currently enjoying the lightweight i3-gaps!!

Slackware_fan_Fred 04-28-2019 02:26 PM

KDE sucks... imo
I've always liked Gnome 2 but also switched when Gnome 3 came out, I hate it. So I switched to XFCE.

Lysander666 04-28-2019 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackware_fan_Fred (Post 5989276)
KDE sucks... imo
I've always liked Gnome 2 but also switched when Gnome 3 came out, I hate it. So I switched to XFCE.

I absolutely loved GNOME 3, though I can see why people detest it. It does things in a completely different way, but even though it looks great, it does sacrifice some usability. I don't really like the idea of having to add thigns through extensions, and the fact that one can't see every open application on the top panel is very irritating if one is working on a lot of things simultaneously. This is one of the reasons I switched to Xfce: it's simple, stable and very effective for work.

hernanmedellin 04-28-2019 04:12 PM

MSB

Slackware_fan_Fred 04-28-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lysander666 (Post 5989282)
I absolutely loved GNOME 3, though I can see why people detest it. It does things in a completely different way, but even though it looks great, it does sacrifice some usability. I don't really like the idea of having to add thigns through extensions, and the fact that one can't see every open application on the top panel is very irritating if one is working on a lot of things simultaneously. This is one of the reasons I switched to Xfce: it's simple, stable and very effective for work.

From your opinion on Gnome 3 I was going to give it a try again but found out it needs systmd, no way do I want that thing on my system.

Skaendo 04-28-2019 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Slackware_fan_Fred (Post 5989296)
From your opinion on Gnome 3 I was going to give it a try again but found out it needs systmd, no way do I want that thing on my system.

Gnome3 does not "require" systemd. I built Gnome 3.30 on Slackware64-current. GDM however, does need systemd or at least hacked to use elogind which I got tired of trying and gave up on it. That and Gnome 3 needs a newer upower (and ffmpeg now) than Slackware ships.

https://gitlab.com/SlackDesk/gnome/3.30
No warranty on those scripts, I haven't messed with it in a while because as you can tell from the poll, no one runs Gnome on Slackware.

I actually have a few DE's that I've built here: https://gitlab.com/SlackDesk/

Those are not all my own works, some I'v borrowed from SBo and some from other places.

montagdude 04-28-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaendo (Post 5989311)
Gnome3 does not "require" systemd. I built Gnome 3.30 on Slackware64-current. GDM however, does need systemd or at least hacked to use elogind which I got tired of trying and gave up on it.

I tried that once too with Dropline, and never had any luck either. I use Gnome 3 at work. It's not half bad once you add a few extensions. I really don't like the Gnome devs' habit of removing or hiding functionality for no reason, though. IMO, Cinnamon is basically what Gnome 3 should have been.


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