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Old 11-08-2017, 10:47 AM   #1
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Issues with Flash - AGAIN :-o


I've installed the latest plugin - EVERYWHERE, at this stage, and it still refuses to show up or be recognized. I'm not looking for trouble, firefox disabled my old one. It's definitely there; I made the 2 obvious mistakes
1. updating firefox (now 56.0.2 in package format), because something was bellyaching about that.
2.Reading the readme.txt that came with the flash plugin which said to copy everything to /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin. So I did.
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bash-4.3$ ls /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin
LGPL  libpepflashplayer.so  license.pdf  manifest.json	readme.txt
bash-4.3$ ls /usr/lib64/adobe-flashplugin
LGPL  libpepflashplayer.so  license.pdf  manifest.json	readme.txt
bash-4.3$ ls /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins
libpepflashplayer.so
All of the above are the full (executable) lib, no symlinks. I do have a 64 bit machine, browser, and plugin.

One other odd thing: firefox-52.4.0 came with about 6 Megs of crap in /usr/share/idl/firefox-52.4.0 while 56.0.2 has none of it. Does that matter?
 
Old 11-08-2017, 11:19 AM   #2
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Starting with v55, flash cannot be permanently enabled for all sites. It can only be enabled on a site-specific basis, and I think it is completely disabled by default. See this page for more information.

So, with that out of the way, does it show up in your about:plugins?

Flash is on its way out and will soon not be able to be used with modern browsers. Firefox intends to have the flash plugin completely unloadable by the end of 2020 and are taking many measures before that to "encourage" users to switch away from flash (or from sites that use flash).

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...lugins/Roadmap

If flash isn't absolutely required for what you do, it may be time to consider not using it at all. Or at least start emailing webmasters of the sites you use that rely on flash so they can know their users are wanting a change.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 01:00 PM   #3
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Yes, I've noticed a good deal of stuff on that recently about all npapi plugins going out. The site was bbc.com - here's a link
video_here
I can adjust it's 'always on' status and see if that works. Should it be ppapi or the npapi version I install?

EDIT: To answer the question, neither npapi or ppapi show up. Still trying remote possibilities

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Old 11-08-2017, 01:03 PM   #4
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Why don't you just go to and download the newest flash player from alien, it works for me.

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slac...player-plugin/
 
Old 11-08-2017, 02:18 PM   #5
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Yes, I've noticed a good deal of stuff on that recently about all npapi plugins going out.
It's not just NPAPI plugins, flash itself, whether NPAPI or PPAPI is going away. Adobe is completely killing it off in 2020 and pretty much all major browsers are setting things up to prevent the plugin from even loading once that date passes.

Unfortunately, I can't really test things for you since I haven't installed flash separately in a few years, but I would agree with zrdc28 that it would be worth a shot to try Eric's package.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 02:40 PM   #6
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Starting with v55, flash cannot be permanently enabled for all sites. It can only be enabled on a site-specific basis, and I think it is completely disabled by default. See this page for more information.
The default is that you have to click to play the animation but even with v56 you still can set it to "Enabled by default" through the addon/plugin-settings page for all sites. I leave it on click to play because i don't have that many sites that are using flash anymore and enable flash is just two clicks away. I'm using the binary package from mozilla v56.0.2 and the flash-plugin from the adobe website.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 02:43 PM   #7
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GOT IT!

/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libpepflashplayer.so shows up FINALLY in firefox-56.0.2. One afternoon wasted. That means I can delete a whole load of copies under various possible names. It also means mozilla is being Debian-ish about it's library locations (to put it at politely as possible; Other adjectives spring to mind :-P). Now for pale moon . . .
But this was about firefox so it's solved.

Btw, I have it set for 'Ask to Activate' although it wasn't bellyaching about 'Always Activate'
 
Old 11-08-2017, 02:44 PM   #8
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The default is that you have to click to play the animation but even with v56 you still can set it to "Enabled by default" through the addon/plugin-settings page for all sites. I leave it on click to play because i don't have that many sites that are using flash anymore and enable flash is just two clicks away. I'm using the binary package from mozilla v56.0.2 and the flash-plugin from the adobe website.
Interesting. I guess they decided to not follow their own timeline and now their docs are out of date.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 02:47 PM   #9
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Why don't you just go to and download the newest flash player from alien, it works for me.

http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slac...player-plugin/
Thank you for showing me the EASY way. Unfortunately I only saw your post after I'd done things the HARD way. Some things never change.
 
Old 11-08-2017, 03:29 PM   #10
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Just a postscript on Pale Moon.

Despite attempts to be clever, palemoon sees the same pepperflash plugin and pukes on it, blaming the plugin. It is currently flash-less to all intents and purposes. Chrome is OK.
 
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Thank you for showing me the EASY way. Unfortunately I only saw your post after I'd done things the HARD way. Some things never change.
There is also flash on SBo, and that package maintainer is Robby.

https://slackbuilds.org/repository/1...player-plugin/
 
Old 11-09-2017, 11:36 AM   #12
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Just a postscript on Pale Moon.

Despite attempts to be clever, palemoon sees the same pepperflash plugin and pukes on it, blaming the plugin. It is currently flash-less to all intents and purposes. Chrome is OK.
Thank you for this update. Older flash plugins still work for Pale Moon, but I've disabled flash everywhere on all of my systems pending a fix for the most recent rowhammer attack variant. (An exploit has been demonstrated in javascript, so it's a cinch that one can be implemented in flash as well.) When (if!) a countermeasure is known, I would like to look at making pepperflash or similar plugins work for Pale Moon.
 
Old 11-09-2017, 02:17 PM   #13
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Have you considered looking at lightspark? It did work in palemoon last time I tried it there and it may be enough if your flash needs are specific enough?
 
Old 11-09-2017, 02:31 PM   #14
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Question Now How's about Java?

@ttk: I'm convinced Pale Moon is on the wane. There is a burden of work keeping abreast of backdoors, and exploits. I can see the logic and I approved at the time, but it's failing the test of time; compatibility and security issues are mounting, new releases are noticeably slow, and they won't be able to fork mozilla's code because firefox took a different fork in the road, and again with this rust language. They have an empty path in front of them; Why anyone young undertakes such a workload beats me when he could be out drinking pints and living it up socially. I'm not close to the project but I think there's just not enough of them.

Seeing as this thread refuses to die (Marked "Solved" 5 posts ago) may I gratefully thank folks for sharing their knowledge and hijack MY OWN thread and ask the assembled browser expertise about Java?

We were all getting stuff from java.com and my firefox was yelling at me about my java plugin being insecure but not disabling it. So I got rid of the libnpjp2.so in jre-1.8.0_101 which it was bellyaching about, and installed Slackware's IcedTea. I'm not mentally able for more crap from either of those particular companies - not for a while yet.

So, is IcedTea worth an <expletive omitted>? Where does it actually work? It seems to fail every 'Is java installed?' test. If I scrap & rm -rf on jre-1.8.0_101, how will something like GeopMapApp work http://www.geomapapp.org/ work?
 
Old 11-11-2017, 01:05 AM   #15
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We were all getting stuff from java.com and my firefox was yelling at me about my java plugin being insecure but not disabling it. So I got rid of the libnpjp2.so in jre-1.8.0_101 which it was bellyaching about, and installed Slackware's IcedTea. I'm not mentally able for more crap from either of those particular companies - not for a while yet.

So, is IcedTea worth an <expletive omitted>? Where does it actually work? It seems to fail every 'Is java installed?' test. If I scrap & rm -rf on jre-1.8.0_101, how will something like GeopMapApp work http://www.geomapapp.org/ work?
The GeoMapApp folks could have provided a java web start url to launch their app.

They didn't.

You just download the jar and run it via
Code:
java -jar <full_path_to_that_jar_file>
. It's independent of your browser.

I'm not seeing the problem. I downloaded the thing and ran it in less time than it took me to write this (after looking up IcedTea as well).

EDIT: My default java version is JDK8. I haven't attempted to move to JDK9 yet.

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