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Old 07-02-2018, 06:01 AM   #1
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Is using sbopkg compatible with "the Slackware way".


Hey guys,

I decided to utilize sbopkg, just so I don't have to go through the hassle of manually downloading slackbuilds. But my question to you is, is this "compatible" with the Slackware way of doing everything manually, and is there a reason one would discourage people from using sbopkg?

Thanks!
 
Old 07-02-2018, 06:33 AM   #2
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The "slack" way expects you to use your own judgement and brains. So - answer the question yourself. :-)
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:56 AM   #3
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is there a reason one would discourage people from using sbopkg?
Nope.
 
Old 07-02-2018, 07:09 AM   #4
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I never saw anything around about the "Slackware way of doing everything manually"...

IMHO, it's perfectly fine to use sbopkg, assumed that you already know how to use SlackBuild scripts provided by SlackBuilds.org: sbopkg is just a tool to make your life easier but you should already know how to do the same things it automates by hand

https://slackbuilds.org/howto/
 
Old 07-02-2018, 07:11 AM   #5
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Some of these kinds of post really bother me. A lot of folks have worked really hard on Slackbuilds.org, and sbopkg. Slackware is small community and distribution that can't ship a huge software library; in many ways these community offerings keep the platform viable when for a lot of people they'd be forced to move on otherwise.

I don't know what your agenda is Franz so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are soliciting advice on if you should use sbopkg. If that is the case you should ask the question like: How many of you all are using sbopkg? Has it been a good experience? I have problem X, Y, Z do you all think it will help me with those things?

Asking if something "is the Slackware way" sorta implies some judgement that it might not be. The answers are really the Slackware way is about KISS and preserving enormous personal freedom to do what you want with the distro once installed. Some people might have different definitions of simple, and that is alright
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 07:18 AM   #6
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assume you are soliciting advice on if you should use sbopkg. If that is the case you should ask the question like: How many of you all are using sbopkg? Has it been a good experience? I have problem X, Y, Z do you all think it will help me with those things?
This is exactly it. Is there any visible/functional difference (in a bad way) for using sbopkg? Or the only difference is I don't have to build and manually install from /tmp, so it 'speeds up' my workflow? (It's been a godsend, honestly).
 
Old 07-02-2018, 08:53 AM   #7
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Is using sbopkg compatible with "the Slackware way".

Nope, no difference.

Use it. Queues save a lot of time and messing around.
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:20 AM   #8
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There is nothing wrong with using sbopkg or another Slackware package manager. However I would suggest spending enough time doing it manually to understand the process. Convenience is not very convenient if it prevents you from understanding what its doing.
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:44 PM   #9
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in the end, it's up to the users to decide which tools he/she might use.
It's your freedom to choose which tool is suitable for you
 
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Old 07-02-2018, 09:59 PM   #10
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I decided to utilize sbopkg, just so I don't have to go through the hassle of manually downloading slackbuilds. But my question to you is, is this "compatible" with the Slackware way of doing everything manually, and is there a reason one would discourage people from using sbopkg?
Nope, sbopkg is useful. It's probably worth understanding what a SlackBuild actually is by having a look and creating a few packages with them, but on the whole I think it would be a waste of time to keep doing it manually (although of course not everyone would see it that way). The automation options I know of are sbopkg (the most popular one, comes with curses interface), sbotools (cmd line only, easier dependency resolution for install/remove), and sborepo (for heavy lifting, more geared towards package builders/maintainers).
 
Old 07-02-2018, 10:21 PM   #11
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I came across this handy little addon for sbopkg some time ago;

http://www.gernot-walzl.at/index.php...e%2Fsbopkg_gui

I tried it out and it worked well, but I haven't tried it again in quite a while.
 
Old 07-03-2018, 03:05 AM   #12
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I've gone through the ordeal of processing SlackBuilds with many dependencies in the past, so I will be eternally grateful for sbopkg and queuefiles. Praise "Bob"! for the sbopkg team!!!
P.S.
Whenever I've run Debian (for instance), I've always felt constrained to do things "The Debian Way". Example: installing NVidia drivers. Never felt that there's any of that "this MUST be done this way" in Slackware.

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Old 07-03-2018, 06:30 AM   #13
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The beauty of Slackware is we have several tools in the bag to use.

I prefer to build my own. I do use Eric's repositories for complex packages, multilib and ktown. Have my own repository and use slackpkg, slackpkg+ to keep my machines up to date. I actually enjoy keeping track of dependencies and the freedom for the most part of not having to rely on another to provide update packages.
 
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:01 AM   #14
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The potential disadvantages of automation are that increased complexity increases the probability of fault, and makes it harder to figure out what's actually going on (which makes problems harder to solve when something goes wrong, and makes the system harder to adapt to specific needs).

Thus when considering automation like sbopkg/sbotools, the pertinent questions are: Does using this introduce unacceptable fault rates? Does using this prevent me from solving problems? Does using this prevent me from adapting my system to my needs?

After using sbopkg for some years, I can assert that for myself, it does not introduce unacceptable fault rates, it is not so opaque that I cannot fix problems when they arise, and it does not pose any significant obstacle to adaptation.

It passes the criteria, so I use it. It's a good tool.
 
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Old 07-05-2018, 09:30 AM   #15
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Yes, sbopkg is compatible with the "Slackware way". I am very grateful for the hard work that the sbopkg people do maintaining this useful utility.
 
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