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Old 11-21-2018, 10:02 AM   #31
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Actually, quietguy47, it is YOU who is dying not Slackware, first because this thread is "wilting on the vine" and most importantly because you have obviously bought into the fals equation "NEW == IMPROVED". You do realize wheels are still round and haven't been updated in some 10,000 years, right? When one gets the fundamentals right, all that's left to do is just minor refinements.
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:05 AM   #32
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If you can't contribute, stay out of the thread. I'm pretty sure there are no rewards for white-knighting for Pat.
I have no reason to white-knight for Pat. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm a Gentoo user (the OTHER dying Linux, haha). And my contribution was to call out the general uselessness of your thread. I ask again, what's the point of this thread? Do you know what a ChangeLog is?
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:08 AM   #33
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Same BS, different year.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:11 AM   #34
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Calm down, folks. The OP has won 2/3 of his reputation points answering a similar question. So to hopefully give him a definitive answer:
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Is Slackware dying?
No.
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:17 AM   #35
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The OP is probably only frustrated that Slackware 15 was not released yet. Maybe he/she wants to put some pressure on the release date... The Logic is - if the new version will not be released immediately = Slackware is dying. And this should scare us and the developers nice try!

To be fair, I also had the impression that the release was very close already 6 months ago (due to some other threads...). So I can understand the reason for this question (if it was meant sincerely .. of course).

But I can also remember about discussions of Plasma 5 integration. I think some open questions regarding this were not decided yet (but it's possible I've just missed them...).
Anyway. There is no point to urge the new release. In fact premature releases are always causing more troubles opposed to benefits. It's ready when it's ready..

All I know is, Slackware 14.2 is perfectly satisfying my needs
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:23 AM   #36
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But I can also remember about discussions of Plasma 5 integration. I think some open questions regarding this were not decided yet (but it's possible I've just missed them...).
I think Pat mentioned that, PAM and Kerberos, and maybe one more major addition that I'm not recalling, were in the works. It will be worth waiting for.
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:24 AM   #37
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Time for me to move on.
Absolutely no-one and nothing is stopping you from moving to a distro like Ubuntu, which has regular, planned point releases. You could then go and wage war on the Ubuntu forums whenever you experience disgruntlement - and the Ubuntu forums are a lot less tolerant than this one.

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All I know is, Slackware 14.2 is perfectly satisfying my needs
I don't see the rush, neither has OP given any reason for one. 14.2 is well-seasoned and marinated. The experience is highly enjoyable.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:26 AM   #38
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I actually find it really interesting that it started this thread in the middle of the night (assuming its location is accurate), was very aggressive for one and a half hours, and then suddenly stopped.

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Old 11-21-2018, 10:29 AM   #39
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Feeling the nostalgia... reminds me of the similar threads in between the 13.37, 14.0 and 14.1 releases (and I note that old gem of updating the website got a mention as well).
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:29 AM   #40
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I actually find it really interesting that it started this thread in the middle of the night (assuming its location is accurate), was very aggressive for one and a half hours, and then suddenly stopped.
Yes, in that case OP started the thread at 4.17am his time. I sense issues.
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:35 AM   #41
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"Slack has a very specific focus, and it's not ease-of-use"
Just noticed that quote in your signature... Slackware is actually very easy to use and administer, is a "complete system", pre-configured with "sensible defaults", has simple package management and is relatively trouble free, so I would have to disagree with that statement. Not to mention that "ease of use" is subjective.
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:41 AM   #42
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Just noticed that quote in your signature... Slackware is actually very easy to use and administer, is a "complete system", pre-configured with "sensible defaults", has simple package management and is relatively trouble free, so I would have to disagree with that statement. Not to mention that "ease of use" is subjective.
Yeah... the way I've heard it put several times, is that Slackware's focus is to not get in your way?
 
Old 11-21-2018, 10:42 AM   #43
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Yes, in that case OP started the thread at 4.17am his time. I sense issues.
Yes, it is good policy not to post after spending the night in the pub.
 
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:37 AM   #44
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[[digression begins]]

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Just noticed that quote in your signature... Slackware is actually very easy to use and administer, is a "complete system", pre-configured with "sensible defaults", has simple package management and is relatively trouble free, so I would have to disagree with that statement. Not to mention that "ease of use" is subjective.
We are rather going off-road here [the OP's contributions are next to worthless anyway], but I take your point. I wish that dasein [aka Curmudgeon on the Debian User Forums] were able to retort but that's extremely unlikely. So I will try to address both perspectives as best I can.

There can be a difference between pre-Slackware appearance and post-initiation usage. Coming from Windows 7 via Ubuntu and Debian like I did, learning Slackware was a real feat. I don't have a *nix background and I had to really want to learn it in order to succeed with it. It took a long while for the learning curve to level out and to get into a place whereby I was fully comfortable [I recall this as being about four months into usage, as opposed to just two weeks with Debian]. I don't think I would have learned as much as I did without dasein's help.

To the uninitiated, and even to some seasoned *nixers, Slackware and its manual dependency management can seem unappealing. It's far easier to go for something like apt which will take care of that work for you. It's only when one gets stuck in and gets one's hands dirty with Slackware that one sees that it's really not that bad. Now I can do most things in Slackware with my eyes closed; in January of this year I was struggling to comprehend the basics.

I suppose, to fully qualify the quote, I should mention the whole thing:

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Slack would be among the distros on my list of "never, ever as a first distro"... Slack has a very specific focus, and it's not ease-of-use.
So, if one is coming from the perspective of a new Linux user, Slackware wouldn't really be a good first choice [I have seen it recommended as a first choice, but then I have also seen LFS recommended as a first choice too]. Its 'focus' of being the most Unix-like OS, as well as its dedication to user control, means it operates in certain ways which makes it difficult for 'newbies' [as much as I hate the term].

Indeed, this "ease-of-use" is subjective to who the user is. Some *nixers might find it easy, some would find it horrendously hard. For me, the quote has technical and personal sides to it. I can see it from the point of view of a pre-Slackware user, an ongoing Slackware user, and it also has personal associations. You're the only one who's ever mentioned it and that's kind of interesting, since, from my time lurking on DUF, and my scant reading of your blog, I'd always put the two of you on similar levels of intellectualism [though different levels of experience].

[[digression ends]]

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Old 11-21-2018, 12:04 PM   #45
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lol... a long post always slows the drama
 
  


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