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Old 04-02-2021, 01:42 PM   #91
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Eric Raymond in the 'Art of Unix Programming' recounts Bill Gates and Paul Allen's acquisition of QDOS:

"In 1981, Microsoft made its historic deal with IBM over the new IBM PC. Bill Gates bought QDOS(Quick and Dirty Operating System), a clone of CP/M that its programmer Tim Paterson had thrown together in six weeks, from Paterson’s employer Seattle Computer Products. Gates, concealing the IBM deal from Paterson and SCP, bought the rights for $50,000."
 
Old 04-02-2021, 06:44 PM   #92
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Once again, Patterson and Gates are given far more credit than due and Kildall is not though his contributions were far greater.

https://www.theregister.com/2007/07/...suit_resolved/
 
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:58 AM   #93
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So, only 7 pages after a week or so?

That's truly disappointing! I have expected a count of 40+ pages on this time span!

Even the "Is Slackware Dead" threads aren't what they was time ago...

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Old 04-03-2021, 10:22 AM   #94
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I'd forgotten it was an "Is Slackware Dead" thread, thought it was a "History of Computing" thread. Eee, I remember using pen & paper...used to put the pointed end of the pen on the paper and wiggle it about...AFAICR.
 
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Old 04-03-2021, 11:33 AM   #95
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I'd forgotten it was an "Is Slackware Dead" thread, thought it was a "History of Computing" thread. Eee, I remember using pen & paper...used to put the pointed end of the pen on the paper and wiggle it about...AFAICR.
And cursive (and cursing) wiggles!
 
Old 04-03-2021, 03:38 PM   #96
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Talking I see you'er a slow reader so I type this very slowly to ya...

So, in short:

1. Slackware will most likely outlive Linux and come to its funeral

2. If you ever find out Slackware died, be sure Linux died before already a while ago

3. Slackware is live and kicking (I use 14.2 on daily basis - it is still second to none; it's sibling releases released by other distros at same time are all long gone and EOL by now)

4. Just you wait and see the 15.0 the best Slackware yet
 
Old 04-04-2021, 04:44 AM   #97
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So, in short:

1. Slackware will most likely outlive Linux and come to its funeral
That depends of course on how you define Linux. If you mean the Linux kernel, then I suppose it is conceivable that Slackware's userland could be joined to a different kernel some day. But if you mean what most people mean by Linux (i.e.the GNU/Linux operating system) then Slackware can't outlive Linux because Slackware is Linux.
 
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Old 04-04-2021, 12:05 PM   #98
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That depends of course on how you define Linux. If you mean the Linux kernel, then I suppose it is conceivable that Slackware's userland could be joined to a different kernel some day.
https://illumos.org/

Lots of history. Several actively maintained distributions. Just for entertainment. Have a nice evening (UK BST)
 
Old 04-05-2021, 03:31 PM   #99
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That depends of course on how you define Linux. If you mean the Linux kernel, then I suppose it is conceivable that Slackware's userland could be joined to a different kernel some day. But if you mean what most people mean by Linux (i.e.the GNU/Linux operating system) then Slackware can't outlive Linux because Slackware is Linux.
It should already be indicative that i wrote Linux and not GNU/Linux, but yeah it is confusing as it always was

When i write Linux i assume Debian, SuSE, Ubuntu, Redhat, Slackware,... the ecosystem and everything about choice and differentiation.

When i write GNU/Linux i understand the very foundation that enabled the former - the people of the GNU foundation that provided the bootstrap for the kernel that replaced the Minix kernel back in the "stone age".

Yes i can imagine a Slackware running on GNU/Minix or something for a transition period - it has crossed my mind a couple of times...

Remember DarthVader? he used to amuse him self by pulling an android kernel and run Slackware on top of it...
 
Old 04-05-2021, 03:51 PM   #100
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Remember DarthVader? he used to amuse him self by pulling an android kernel and run Slackware on top of it...
Well, also the Android uses the Linux kernel as, well... kernel.

In fact, what we understand usually as "Linux" is a GNU/Linux distribution, BUT there could be other operating systems using the Linux kernel.

Like is Android, which uses a Linux kernel, a small userspace like "Linux" made with BusyBox (yeah, just like our initrd) and the graphical desktop made in Java.

I could say that also Android is a Linux distribution, BUT not a GNU/Linux one.

Darth Vader grabbed the kernel and its modules from Android for sole purpose of having a better hardware support on his netbook - if I remember right he did this for his Android netbook with ARM CPU.

BUT, I understand that he still used a Linux kernel for the Slackware(ARM) userspace.

PS. Heck, would be a Linux distribution even an operating system with a Linux kernel which starts from initrd right on the Wine with a fancy Windows 10 like desktop as shell, which runs Windows programs...

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Old 04-05-2021, 03:51 PM   #101
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I understand and respect the purists who insist on saying and using GNU/Linux, and I like that there are distros that ship free open source software. However, I prefer a more pragmatic approach. I really appreciate the Debian people who distribute installation ISOs with non-free software. I can of course get the non-free drivers for my NIC, etc. and install them, but, I don't have a problem with using non-free software.
I really appreciate that our BDFL includes a lot of software so that my video card, sound card, and network adapter work properly.
That's the beautiful thing about our ecosystem. We get to choose what our computing experience will be like. Choice is a very good thing.
 
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:52 PM   #102
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If you want to be a hipster, who won't shut up about his gaps, install Arch.
I know this guy. He posts on Quora a lot. :^D
 
Old 04-05-2021, 04:00 PM   #103
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Yes i can imagine a Slackware running on GNU/Minix or something for a transition period - it has crossed my mind a couple of times...
Have you ever heard of Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
 
Old 04-05-2021, 04:09 PM   #104
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Have you ever heard of Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
Yeah, the BSD kernels are valuable alternatives for a "Linux distribution" without the Linux kernel.

BUT, the Hurd kernel is just a fantasy. A communist fantasy.

EDIT: I apologize! The Firefox auto-correction tricked me regarding the naming of GNU/Hurd. But, honestly, maybe that Firefox AI knows something...

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Old 04-06-2021, 08:02 AM   #105
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PS. Heck, would be a Linux distribution even an operating system with a Linux kernel which starts from initrd right on the Wine with a fancy Windows 10 like desktop as shell, which runs Windows programs...
If it has no Power Shell it ain't no win 10
 
  


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