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Old 03-30-2021, 07:14 PM   #76
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Thank you, I'll add that one to my list. It'll have to be on a night Mrs goes to bed early, because there's no way she'll sit through that. Looks like I'll enjoy it though, so thanks again......
My wife sat through it and said, when it was over, it was very interesting. Shocked me!
When it was originally broadcast there were "intermissions" so one could run down the hall or whatever.


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....In 'Pirates of Silicon Valley,' they made it look like Microsoft didn't even have an OS to sell when they met with IBM the first time... but they managed to make the sale anyway. And furthermore, they didn't actually sell the OS, just the right to use it.....
I believe that is correct. In "Triumphs of the Nerds" they interviewed the IBM representative who called on mickeysoft and then Digital Research and then back to mickeysoft.


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.....Probably the best thing about XP was that it killed the DOS based 9x series, which was total rubbish. I was at university at the time W95 came out, and I remember at that point you'd have a 50% chance that Windows would eat your essay. Not much fun when you're 5,000 words in. This drove me to Linux. By the time XP came along, I was already entrenched... and scarred - 25 years later, I'm still hitting 'save' as often as I can.

W10 isn't that bad. It's still basically the same sh_t as Windows XP underneath.
Wasn't XP and everything since based on NT?
XP would call home, but, as I understand it, win10 is outright spyware.
That and the GUI is the worst I've seen..... almost. The default graphics for the early release of kde5 were absolutely horrible (yeah, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that).

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Old 03-30-2021, 07:31 PM   #77
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I had a co-worker who was one of the people who lined up at computer stores at midnight to be the first to buy Windows 95.

I was not crazy enough to do that. I waited a full three days before buying my copy.

Never had the world seen so much excitement over a computer operating system.
Ed
It was unreal, wan't it? Every billboard was advertising Windows 95 and its Start menu.

I still think Windows 2000 with all the SPs was the best of them. If you didn't mind having to chkdsk /p /f every few months. (Memory's hazy, so don't quote me on the details.)
 
Old 03-30-2021, 07:43 PM   #78
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To be fair, in the 80s and 90s we called computer programs "applications." It was usually in reference to business-type software, eg: Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect were referred to as applications.
Accually, IIRC (and there was a bit of ethanol and other recreational substances involved - chemists will be chemists), the cycle fro 1970s to now was

programs -> application programs -> applications -> apps

'application programs' was usually stuff sold commercially. To me, any code running on a CPU is a 'program' and they can pry that term from my cold dead keyboard....

Blast form the past, My all time favorite computer magazine: https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine

Of course, this all has nothing to do with 'dead' Slackware, as I use that OPERATING SYSTEM to write this post on a web forum via the Firefox web browser PROGRAM.
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 07:58 PM   #79
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It was unreal, wan't it? Every billboard was advertising Windows 95 and its Start menu.
Yes, and Nt under the hood was OS/2. In fact it was first sold as MS OS/2 NewTechnology. The big break with IBM came from the MS team wanting to allow some applications direct access to hardware, side-stepping the pre-emptive OpSys preventing crashes. IBM could in no way allow the often resulting BSODs in an environment qhere downtime of a few minutes could mean millions of dollars or people's lives since OS/2 was used in banking, hospitals and air traffic control to name a few.

Five years after the split the aUS Navy built a computerized battleship running a hardened NT and the ship had to be towed back to Norfolk. Reading that news at the time I had visions of banks of cannon waving wildly like a child throwing a tantrum
 
Old 03-30-2021, 08:16 PM   #80
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My wife sat through it and said, when it was over, it was very interesting. Shocked me!
I'll give it a go and see what happens...
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Wasn't XP and everything since based on NT? XP would call home, but, as I understand it, win10 is outright spyware.
Yes, XP was based on NT... which was designed by the guy Microsoft poached from DEC, using many of the 'design ideas' from VMS (and, I'd suggest, quite possibly very similar code).

Yes, W10 is spyware. But what do we do with spyware? Install 3rd party tools to fix it: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10. Of course that doesn't close down the secret back doors which the 3 letter government agencies have, but at least it stops the software from phoning home.
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Blast form the past, My all time favorite computer magazine: https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine
Aww man! I've got work to do, you know.
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Of course, this all has nothing to do with 'dead' Slackware, as I use that OPERATING SYSTEM to write this post on a web forum via the Firefox web browser PROGRAM.
Me too!
 
Old 03-30-2021, 08:59 PM   #81
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.....the US Navy built a computerized battleship running a hardened NT and the ship had to be towed back to Norfolk......
Ah, yes.
I'm sure I've posted this before, but I can't find it.
I wonder if it was the same ship?
Years ago I worked with a younger colleague who, not too many years before, served
as a Naval officer on a sister ship to the U.S.S. Cole.
The propulsion system was control by mickeysoft software, probably NT.
The propulsion system also charged the ship's batteries, so, ultimately, the entire
ship was dependent on the propulsion system. One day while out at sea the system shut
down and the monitor displayed "The Blue Screen of Death." Nothing they did could get
it to reboot. No power. Eventually, no communications, no air condition, no lights,
nothing. They drifted for three days before another ship reached them and towed them
back to port.
 
Old 03-30-2021, 09:06 PM   #82
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....Yes, W10 is spyware. But what do we do with spyware? Install 3rd party tools to fix it: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10......
Do they? Do third party applications really plug the holes? It is my understanding that mickeysoft
has paid the so called "security software companies" to write their products in such a fashion that they
don't report to the user what mickeysoft is doing in the background.
 
Old 03-30-2021, 10:50 PM   #83
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...

Wasn't XP and everything since based on NT?
XP would call home, but, as I understand it, win10 is outright spyware.
That and the GUI is the worst I've seen..... almost. The default graphics for the early release of kde5 were absolutely horrible (yeah, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that).

Yes, 'NT' was one of the first computer acronyms I ever learned. I remember the marketing like it was yesterday...

Windows 2000 - Built on New Technology Technology
 
Old 03-31-2021, 03:34 AM   #84
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Great! Now we've got a trilogy of "Is Slackware Dead...?" threads, I can contact Peter Jackson about making the films.
Tom Hardy or Daniel Craig to play brianL???
 
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Old 03-31-2021, 04:21 AM   #85
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Yes, W10 is spyware. But what do we do with spyware? Install 3rd party tools to fix it: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10.
There's something funny about that link. I clicked on it and my router stopped working! I couldn't reach that site or any other one, not even to refresh an existing page. I had to power-cycle the router to get reconnected.

Do you think Microsoft has sabotaged that site?
 
Old 03-31-2021, 07:56 AM   #86
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Great! Now we've got a trilogy of "Is Slackware Dead...?" threads, I can contact Peter Jackson about making the films.
Tom Hardy or Daniel Craig to play brianL???
I pray you, what sayeth the extispicy of Oldham cuddlies?
I fear the approach of the great pre-release fever that shall be the beginning of the dispellation of the trilogy.
 
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Old 03-31-2021, 08:52 AM   #87
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There's something funny about that link. I clicked on it and my router stopped working! I couldn't reach that site or any other one, not even to refresh an existing page. I had to power-cycle the router to get reconnected.

Do you think Microsoft has sabotaged that site?
Worked just fine here. Their web page says the are a "Microsoft Gold Partner," which would mean to
me they are in mickeysoft's back pocket, one, and, two, it is unlikely they would write software to defeat what mickeysoft is trying to do to each user and their system.
 
Old 03-31-2021, 09:22 AM   #88
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Yes, 'NT' was one of the first computer acronyms I ever learned. I remember the marketing like it was yesterday...

Windows 2000 - Built on New Technology Technology
Just FTR the first use of the NT (New Technology) label was "MS OS/2 3.0 NT" in 1989 which soon became just Windows NT 3.0 or 3.1. I don't recall the exact numbering at the naming morph just that the original was 3.0. IIRC it wasn't until NT 3.5 when VMS had been integrated in by 1994. Obviously Win 2K came later but indeed is very likely the pinnacle of the NTs thoughh MS soon distanced themselves from the NT moniker largely due to a $100,000,000 settlement with DEC who created VMS and sued. The renaming of stuff MS would rather forget or move on from is a favorite shell game they play, and what do ya know, it very often works..
 
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:18 AM   #89
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Ah so NT has come up again, so therefore I cannot help but reminisce; there was a time when Windows was rock solid (at least from my experience). NT 4 was interesting, but the only annoyance was its limit on NTFS partitions at 8GB, 2000 Pro came along - and added USB , DirectX and FAT32 support, although as soon as I switched to NTFS I never looked back and became a moot point. 2000 Pro (in my opinion at least), has been peak Windows - no issue whatsoever, it was indeed rock solid - and it is the only iteration of Windows that I legit have nothing but praise for. Thats is all.

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Old 04-02-2021, 11:26 AM   #90
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I have been using Slackware for some time because the Slackware team does a good job of maintaining the base system. This has freed me to tailor the system to my needs. I frankly don't have the time to diff every change that occurs in the system between updates. I must rely on names I've recognized over the years who have demonstrated a level of trust and aptitude to maintain the distribution and security management. For what I've seen, Pat shows good leadership qualities and those who submit updates appear to be of high caliber. I use to know who were the key figures in Red Hat/Fedora development/maintenance but I no longer know. A long time ago I tried Red Hat but an update corrupted an extensive installation. I never went back.
I do everything I want/need to do with Slackware and I have been able to fix or find help fixing any issues that have come up.
Once you've gotten familiar with any distribution, I imagine one can feel the same about any distribution. After tinkering with many distributions, Slackware still seems to be the most on point. Definitely still much alive.

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