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Old 03-27-2021, 06:10 PM   #61
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I'm a relative newcomer to Slackware(2004, version 10.0). I do marvel at how Mr. Volkerding stoically endures withering criticism here and elsewhere; he continues without complaint and follows through to create the best operating system on the planet. You need to have a thick skin to endure the incessant nonsense.
Many thanks to Mr. Volkerding and the entire Slackware Team for your tireless efforts; we appreciate it!
Seconded.

To show my appreciation, I signed up to the Slackware Patreon account a few months ago. I've been using Slackware at home for a long time, and I've paid for a few releases and made some donations along the way... But now that I use Slackware in my business, I decided it was time to start regular payments, and Patreon seems to work quite well from here.

I'm very appreciative of the way Slackware is built, and hope it continues to be the sane one in a world full of insanity.
 
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Old 03-29-2021, 04:46 PM   #62
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Slackware is live but Slamd64 p. ex. is dead. You have to know which are alive and which are not, ask to google.
 
Old 03-29-2021, 09:51 PM   #63
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Many youngsters grow up thinking facebook is an app, so don't have your hopes high about them discovering Slackware.
Many youngsters call programs "apps".
 
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Old 03-29-2021, 10:13 PM   #64
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Many youngsters call programs "apps".
To be fair, in the 80s and 90s we called computer programs "applications." It was usually in reference to business-type software, eg: Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect were referred to as applications.
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 12:01 AM   #65
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To be fair, in the 80s and 90s we called computer programs "applications." It was usually in reference to business-type software, eg: Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect were referred to as applications.
Wow... a blast from the past...

Lotus 1-2-3 some of us SuperCalc users had an alternative description for!

But WordPerfect was my go-to word processor. At least until the Windows version... slow and buggy pos. Both btw.

Ran everything on clean DOS until Win95.
 
Old 03-30-2021, 12:37 AM   #66
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Coming from OS/2 I grew up with the complete Lotus Notes Suite and it was "crunchy" sort of like vim, in that it took awhile but it was really potent, at least to me and especially way back in 1996. It's still an amazing demonstration of the power of lowest common denominator glitz, glam and marketing that Win95 not only outsold but VASTLY outsold Warp 4. Warp 4 came stock with a complete Internet package (including dialers and an OK Browser but soon followed by Firefox) Java SDK, Dbase, voice dictation and command execution, an entire Office Suite and 20+ Service Packs (upgrades almost as big as the initial base release each of the 20+ times time at no additional charge) and... well way too many to mention for nostalgia and marketing woes.

Anyone actually interested in just how packed that OpSys was can check this out https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index...._the_Planet%22

I should note though that the introduction of "emx runtimes" made it possible to run Linux applications and even replace the Program Manager (the default WM/DE) with an early version of Enlightenment which was my introduction to Linux.
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 01:58 AM   #67
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It's still an amazing demonstration of the power of lowest common denominator glitz, glam and marketing that Win95 not only outsold but VASTLY outsold Warp 4.
The same could be said about MS-DOS vs DR-DOS. DR-DOS was the technically superior OS...
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 08:06 AM   #68
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The same could be said about MS-DOS vs DR-DOS. DR-DOS was the technically superior OS...
Yup! That's what can happen when you go to Harvard and major in Poker. Everyone has heard of Microsoft. Substantially less have ever heard of Caldera, Novell or Digital Research.
 
Old 03-30-2021, 08:30 AM   #69
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The same could be said about MS-DOS vs DR-DOS. DR-DOS was the technically superior OS...
Have you ever watched the PBS Special, "Triumphs of the Nerds"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Nerds

It can be found from time to time on the various streaming services. Definitely worth watching. From watching that you get the impression that mickeysoft bought "Quick and Dirty" DOS from a Seattle company and renamed it MS-DOS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS
From the interview with the author of Quick and Dirty DOS, you get the impression he simply copied DR-DOS. True or not, I don't know.

Back in the late '80s and into the '90s I ran WordPerfect and Lotus 123 in Desqview.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview
For striclty business purposes I would have no problem doing the same thing today.

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Old 03-30-2021, 08:33 AM   #70
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I had a co-worker who was one of the people who lined up at computer stores at midnight to be the first to buy Windows 95.

I was not crazy enough to do that. I waited a full three days before buying my copy.

Never had the world seen so much excitement over a computer operating system.
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Old 03-30-2021, 08:42 AM   #71
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As much as I dislike mickeysoft for their business practices (complete lack of ethics), by the time they released XP with Service Pack 3, it wasn't too bad.
Didn't care for win95 or 3-point-whatever. Don't use win7, though I have a copy, and will never put win10 on one of my machines. Not in this lifetime.

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Old 03-30-2021, 09:20 AM   #72
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Slackware is about as vanilla as a Linux OS can get. Maybe you prefer tutti-frutti ........
all rooty ..........
A wop bop a loo-bop a lop bom bom

I got a box, named Slack, that runs better than a Cadillac
Got a box, named Slack, I'll take it to /dev/null and back
I hack to the East, I hack to the West
But Slack's the system that I love best

Tutti frutti, oh rootie
Tutti frutti, oh rootie... Wooooooooooo!
Tutti frutti, oh rootie
Tutti frutti, oh rootie
Tutti frutti, oh rootie

A wop bop a loo-bop a lop bom bom ...
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 09:38 AM   #73
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Don't use win7, though I have a copy, and will never put win10 on one of my machines. Not in this lifetime.
I hear you! I run mostly Linux and BSD at my place. I do maintain my daughter's Win 10 Pro Dell laptop. You can guess which system takes the most effort to maintain.
Very grateful that our BDFL is developing Slackware 15.0.
 
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Old 03-30-2021, 10:37 AM   #74
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Many youngsters call programs "apps".
ba-dum-tss
 
Old 03-30-2021, 06:30 PM   #75
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Have you ever watched the PBS Special, "Triumphs of the Nerds"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Nerds

It can be found from time to time on the various streaming services. Definitely worth watching. From watching that you get the impression that mickeysoft bought "Quick and Dirty" DOS from a Seattle company and renamed it MS-DOS.
Thank you, I'll add that one to my list. It'll have to be on a night Mrs goes to bed early, because there's no way she'll sit through that. Looks like I'll enjoy it though, so thanks again.

In 'Pirates of Silicon Valley,' they made it look like Microsoft didn't even have an OS to sell when they met with IBM the first time... but they managed to make the sale anyway. And furthermore, they didn't actually sell the OS, just the right to use it.
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As much as I dislike mickeysoft for their business practices (complete lack of ethics), by the time they released XP with Service Pack 3, it wasn't too bad.
Probably the best thing about XP was that it killed the DOS based 9x series, which was total rubbish. I was at university at the time W95 came out, and I remember at that point you'd have a 50% chance that Windows would eat your essay. Not much fun when you're 5,000 words in. This drove me to Linux. By the time XP came along, I was already entrenched... and scarred - 25 years later, I'm still hitting 'save' as often as I can.
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Don't use win7, though I have a copy, and will never put win10 on one of my machines. Not in this lifetime.
W10 isn't that bad. It's still basically the same sh_t as Windows XP underneath.
 
  


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