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Old 03-26-2021, 07:17 AM   #46
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Many youngsters grow up thinking facebook is an app, so don't have your hopes high about them discovering Slackware.
 
Old 03-26-2021, 07:24 AM   #47
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True but if youngsters are going to grow up without finding out anything factual about Slackware, it won't be because I didn't try.
I think that your strategy of pointing to the liveslak isos is a good one. It is after all a certain subset of potential users that we are trying to inform.

AlienBob's live-daw edition will certainly generate interest.

The default iso might allow people to appreciate that automatic dependency resolution might just be a bit less of a problem than they think it will be given the range of libraries included, and may actually have certain advantages.

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Old 03-26-2021, 01:09 PM   #48
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True but if youngsters are going to grow up without finding out anything factual about Slackware, it won't be because I didn't try. It used to be assumed that it wasn't wise to feed trolls, but then people began to realize a fairly large number of people fell downright medieval and figure the Earth is flat. Such false rumors can't go uncontested in my view or they "grow legs".

I agree. Sometimes the troll is just someone who didn't receive a meaningful education so there's no point in assuming that everyone who is trolling has a malicious motive. That's actually the crux of my point about reddit. Sure Reddit might be great for opinionated discussions, but if your goal is to understand the technical merits of a software project then you won't get anything useful.


Like anything in education the quality of the teacher is probably the most important factor when learning the subject matter. IMO Reddit does not qualify as an educational resource and should not be used as such.
 
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Old 03-26-2021, 01:42 PM   #49
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The discussion on https://www.reddit.com/r/slackware/ is quite actual and generally positive... no reason to refer to a three year old post here on LQ with reddit as reference...

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Old 03-26-2021, 02:53 PM   #50
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I've apparently completely misread/misunderstood first post in this thread.

OP was running Slackware -current before making this thread... asking for opinions on that reddit "article".

Which is enough to be labelled troll?

I still don't understand the need for that, but since there seems to be concensus, I'll be more careful not to respond too quickly in the future. My responses aren't that valuable anyway.

OTOH... we're really not that many users, so could I suggest treating newcomers a bit more gently? Lightly?
 
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Old 03-26-2021, 03:18 PM   #51
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OTOH... we're really not that many users, so could I suggest treating newcomers a bit more gently? Lightly?
He he, this Slackware community somehow remembers me by the old stories regarding Karelia - it's a rather wild Russian region at East of Finland, BTW...

So, they say that hundreds years ago, a Karelian kid to reach the manhood (and to be acknowledged being ready to marry and have a family), he was required to go alone on the forests and to successfully hunt a bear. Having a dagger as sole weapon, he had to return with a bear skin for graduating.

What I want to say is that your stack is astonishing high for the Modern Age.

Believe or not, the World is not wandered anymore by Vikings hunting bears with daggers, you know...

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Old 03-26-2021, 03:26 PM   #52
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Old 03-26-2021, 03:52 PM   #53
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Years ago I taught a simple class at a local non-profit on how to choose a linux distro. It wasn't super complicated since the goal was just to help new users push past some of the craziness you encounter when diving into linux for the first time.

Now I'm starting to wonder if I should bring that back as a youtube series or something. There will always be more newbies asking questions with poorly worded copy pasta.
 
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Old 03-27-2021, 03:27 AM   #54
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He he, this Slackware community somehow remembers me by the old stories regarding Karelia - it's a rather wild Russian region at East of Finland, BTW...

So, they say that hundreds years ago, a Karelian kid to reach the manhood (and to be acknowledged being ready to marry and have a family), he was required to go alone on the forests and to successfully hunt a bear. Having a dagger as sole weapon, he had to return with a bear skin for graduating.

What I want to say is that your stack is astonishing high for the Modern Age.

Believe or not, the World is not wandered anymore by Vikings hunting bears with daggers, you know...
Better wait for Petri to confirm. Btw, you know Finns are not descendants of Vikings, right?
 
Old 03-27-2021, 05:39 AM   #55
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Better wait for Petri to confirm. Btw, you know Finns are not descendants of Vikings, right?
It was a rhetoric license, as you probably should suspect...

If you want a more historically accurate approach, from what I known, the Karelians ancestors are, well... the Karelians, a proud Finno-Ugric tribe of old ages.

Anyways, the Finland evacuated/relocated over 400.000 Karelians (which was almost 100% of the population - they effectively emptied the lost territory, without being requested to) on 1940 after the Winter War between Soviet Union and Finland , so now aren't that many natives on the Russian Karelia where I live.

I for one, I am a Russian ethnic, moved there 20 years ago for the job and neither the Karelian or Suomi (Finnish) are strong skills of mine.

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Old 03-27-2021, 07:31 AM   #56
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Check the main page is frozen from 2016 and if someone is not in community he won't know if is dead or not without to ask or make more deep research.
The page clearly states it is the release date for Slackware 14.2, nothing more. The OP found his way here and as pointed out above, can obviously see at a glance that the forums are active so that if a person is at least semi-literate, he or she will be able to determine that Slackware is current and updated. There are often more threads started in the Slackware sub-forum than most others every day so there is no need to ask but simply to read. I would think if the OP is serious, s/he would find a more reliable source than reddit.
 
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Old 03-27-2021, 12:01 PM   #57
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I'm a relative newcomer to Slackware(2004, version 10.0). I do marvel at how Mr. Volkerding stoically endures withering criticism here and elsewhere; he continues without complaint and follows through to create the best operating system on the planet. You need to have a thick skin to endure the incessant nonsense.
Many thanks to Mr. Volkerding and the entire Slackware Team for your tireless efforts; we appreciate it!
 
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Old 03-27-2021, 12:21 PM   #58
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I do marvel at how Mr. Volkerding stoically endures withering criticism here and elsewhere;
i started in Autumn 2005 with 10.1 and also truly admire him.
 
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Old 03-27-2021, 01:09 PM   #59
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I'm a relative newcomer to Slackware(2004, version 10.0). I do marvel at how Mr. Volkerding stoically endures withering criticism here and elsewhere; he continues without complaint and follows through to create the best operating system on the planet. You need to have a thick skin to endure the incessant nonsense.
Many thanks to Mr. Volkerding and the entire Slackware Team for your tireless efforts; we appreciate it!
Agreed. I am still extremely new then! I started with 14.1 in 2015. Additionally, it is inspiring to see the Slackware developers do so much, with less man power.

The large distros like the Debian's and Red Hat's use a significantly larger work force to accomplish basically the same goal as Mr. Volkerding.
 
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Old 03-27-2021, 01:09 PM   #60
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You need to have a thick skin to endure the incessant nonsense.
Below is a fragment from an old interview on this very message board.

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"I try very hard with Slackware to defer to the wishes of the upstream developers. This isn't the place to be patching in new features, or packaging beta versions (if that can be helped). Lao Tzu said that in order to lead, one must follow." - Patrick Volkerding, 2012
The closeness to upstream was a factor in my choice of Slackware in 2014, late in the day.

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