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Old 09-08-2017, 08:58 PM   #1
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Is RedHat moving away from Pulse?


started this in Slackware thread, well because its what I use and second because we just got Pulse and it seems they have something else in the pipeline, called pipewire.

https://pipewire.github.io/pipewire.org/
 
Old 09-08-2017, 10:11 PM   #2
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PipeWire is a logical growth of PulseAudio, BTW...

While PulseAudio is an audio server, the PipeWire is an audio and video server.

Is RedHat moving away from PulseAudio? I do not think so, at least not in the near future. Read: not on the next several years.

BUT, on a long term, we should expect the PipeWire (or a similar project) to replace PulseAudio, as an even larger unification of the Media Services on system. Think about something like a MultimediaD.

PS. "We just got PulseAudio" only because of the myths about PulseAudio, ventilated on the Slackware community by some vocal, well... let's say: "ultra-orthodox" people.

Per se, the PulseAudio is an old fart in the Linux church...

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Old 09-11-2017, 05:54 AM   #3
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You should look at PipeWire as Pulse video.
 
Old 09-11-2017, 06:12 AM   #4
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You should look at PipeWire as Pulse video.
looking at the first commit seems it was actually its original name

https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire...116bb2cfeaa322
 
Old 09-11-2017, 07:57 AM   #5
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looking at the first commit seems it was actually its original name

https://github.com/PipeWire/pipewire...116bb2cfeaa322
I was serious when i wrote it.
It's Redhat that's at it again i won't say what i think about it because i would get an army of defenders on me just like anyone would get if they where to criticize systemd or pulse audio.
https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2015/...g-pulse-video/
Looking in my crystal ball i see this pushed on most distributions in the coming years
 
Old 09-11-2017, 10:04 AM   #6
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So has it become "ultra orthodox" to prefer the Bazaar to The Cathedral ?
 
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:48 PM   #7
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ultra right hand side-ish?
 
Old 09-11-2017, 03:25 PM   #8
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So has it become "ultra orthodox" to prefer the Bazaar to The Cathedral ?
Your very post is a perfect example of the myths (or false information) which are spread by some people...

So, one who do not happened to read the story of The Bazaar and The Cathedral, as Eric S. Raymond love to tell it, would think that you are right, as you prefer The Bazaar, instead of PulseAudio's The Cathedral.

Yet, The Bazaar refer to collective and open-source development, while The Cathedral (according with Eric S. Raymond, at least) usually refer to closed source and/or proprietary model of software development.

BUT, is in fact the PulseAudio developed in The Cathedral style? It is a proprietary software? It is closed source?

Of course NOT, as PulseAudio is open-source, even under GPL license, and it is developed by the following main team:

Lennart Poettering (mezcalero) through his employer Red Hat
Pierre Ossman (ossman, DrZeus) through his employer Cendio
Colin Guthrie (coling)
Arun Raghavan (Ford_Prefect)
Tanu Kaskinen (tanuk) as a volunteer with crowdfunding through Patreon
David Henningsson (diwic) through his employer Canonical

And, of course, the developers list does not stop here.

BTW, its development repository is there: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/

Then, I dare to say that according even with Eric S. Raymond's strict concepts, the PulseAudio is a poster child of The Bazaar, and also a honorable member of open-source community.

And same apply to SystemD or even to our on-topic PipeWire, and so on...

So, in the end, dear @enorbet, what you gain from misinforming the Slackware community?

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Old 09-11-2017, 03:54 PM   #9
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%s/Richard Stallman/Eric S. Raymond/
 
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:56 PM   #10
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Thanks you, you are right!

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Old 09-12-2017, 04:32 AM   #11
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I can see the point of an audio server, in fact I was glad when Pulse became widely supported, since it's nice to have the option of playing more than one stream at once with a single, cheap soundcard, and I found it easier to set up than esd. I'm finding it harder to think of an analogous advantage to a having a new video server - presumably it would do something beyond what X or Wayland do?
 
Old 09-12-2017, 05:37 AM   #12
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I'm finding it harder to think of an analogous advantage to a having a new video server - presumably it would do something beyond what X or Wayland do?
Because you think about video output, i.e. a video-card. BUT, there are also video input devices: webcams, cameras, etc...

So, with PipeWire, for example: instead of every browser to be aware of your webcam devices and to select one, they would use the default (video input) device, just like you do with the microphone over PulseAudio.

In fact, a similar concept is used on Windows since Ice Age, where is no web-browser's duty to select the active webcam device.

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Old 09-12-2017, 08:11 AM   #13
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Ah - everything becomes clear, now I see where the Jack-like connections would come in handy. Thank you.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 10:41 PM   #14
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Darth Vader - With all due respect, I frankly don't care how it was developed but more on how it has been implemented, especially in the function of reducing options and choice. You are entirely welcome to your opinion on the value of systemd and pulseaudio but to accuse me of misinforming the Slackware community reveals your bias at least as much as my position reveals mine. However, I don't wish you forced in any corner.

Note: FWIW I have owned a copy of The Cathedral and the Bazaar for over 15 years and have read it in it's entirety once and excerpts from it repeatedly so you can drop your condescending assumption and consider opinions other than your own may at least have some merit.
 
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:09 AM   #15
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since it's nice to have the option of playing more than one stream at once with a single, cheap soundcard, and I found it easier to set up than esd.
I can play more than one source of audio with just alsa, wasn't this what alsa was introduced to fix in the first place when oss still had issues with more than one source of audio?
 
  


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